Plato Shrimp / What Are You Listening To Today?

**Posted by crumbsroom** 5/25/2022 3:49 pm

**Posted by crumbsroom** 5/25/2022 3:53 pm

Jinnistan wrote:
crumbsroom wrote:
I'm starting to think I want to get into post 80's The Fall. I'm sure this is full of pitfalls. And super expensive repressings I can't afford. And I don't fucking care.
Extricate is the one I didn't like at all, but it was getting boring after Nation's Saving Grace. I've never ventured further.

I'm pretty sure that was the one that was at my local. And it was overpriced, as they always are.

I had basically stopped at Bend Sinister. An okay album but....not firing on those rusted muffler cylinders I prefer.

I knew one hardcore Fall fan who saw them everytime they came in town, and had listened to every album, and even he struggled over what to recommend post 90. But...this is sort of my fascination right now. I have become more and more interested in the outliers and the dogs in the canon of great artists. And I just can't see how even when failing, Smith doesn't have something going on.

I imagine I will eventually buy one, blindly, be completley bored and never experiment again with this. But.............until then........(barfs all over self)

**Posted by Rock** 5/25/2022 3:59 pm

I watched that Lydia Lunch documentary as it's supposed to leave the Criterion Channel at the end of the month. Interesting stuff, and Lunch is an engaging interview subject (coming off much better here than she did in the largely insight-free Kill Your Idols), but I'm basically reminded that I don't like No Wave and find much of her music outside of Queen of Siam unlistenable.

**Posted by crumbsroom** 5/25/2022 9:04 pm

Rock wrote:
I don't like No Wave and find much of her music outside of Queen of Siam unlistenable.

Lydia Lunch is my least favorite No Waver. I still plan on watching that documentary though. I remember her having a particularly unpleasant interview on the canadian show The New Music, which I imagine may make an appearance in this.

**Posted by crumbsroom** 5/25/2022 10:04 pm

**Posted by Rock** 5/25/2022 10:37 pm

crumbsroom wrote:
Rock wrote:
I don't like No Wave and find much of her music outside of Queen of Siam unlistenable.
Lydia Lunch is my least favorite No Waver. I still plan on watching that documentary though. I remember her having a particularly unpleasant interview on the canadian show The New Music, which I imagine may make an appearance in this.

I think it helps that the documentary is directed by her longtime friend Beth B, so it gets a softer, more unguarded side of her than the more confrontational demeanour she tends to put on for other interviews.

But as for No Wave, yeah, I don't get it. I like hardcore punk and grindcore, where I think the cacophony is put together with some level of intricacy (even if you have to listen real carefully to actually hear it). No Wave in comparison is like a bunch of crayon doodles of dicks.

**Posted by crumbsroom** 5/25/2022 10:46 pm

Rock wrote:
But as for No Wave, yeah, I don't get it. I like hardcore punk and grindcore, where I think the cacophony is put together with some level of intricacy (even if you have to listen real carefully to actually hear it). No Wave in comparison is like a bunch of crayon doodles of dicks.

It's weird how we all have our different lines of what makes sense and what doesn't.

There have only been five musical 'sounds' that I have immediately bonded with in my life the first time I heard them. 60's girl groups, reggae, free jazz, disco and no wave. And seeing no wave as almost this elementally perfect expression, I have no idea how to rationalize it, even if I think it's pretty clear a lot of people are going to need some kind of justification for that kind of noise.

Like, I know it sounds awful and doesn't make sense, in theory. But it just burrows itself into my head like virtually nothing else.

It's like you can feel it struggling into life with every lurch it makes forward. And in listening to it you are rooting for it to live.

How can you not understand that!!!

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**Posted by crumbsroom** 5/25/2022 10:55 pm

**Posted by Jinnistan** 5/25/2022 10:57 pm

The new remaster from the 1972 box set sounds a whole lot better, and you can enjoy it without having to watch all of this nonsense.

**Posted by Rock** 5/25/2022 11:09 pm

crumbsroom wrote:

Hell yeah

**Posted by Rock** 5/25/2022 11:10 pm

crumbsroom wrote:
Rock wrote:
But as for No Wave, yeah, I don't get it. I like hardcore punk and grindcore, where I think the cacophony is put together with some level of intricacy (even if you have to listen real carefully to actually hear it). No Wave in comparison is like a bunch of crayon doodles of dicks.
It's weird how we all have our different lines of what makes sense and what doesn't.

There have only been five musical 'sounds' that I have immediately bonded with in my life the first time I heard them. 60's girl groups, reggae, free jazz, disco and no wave. And seeing no wave as almost this elementally perfect expression, I have no idea how to rationalize it, even if I think it's pretty clear a lot of people are going to need some kind of justification for that kind of noise.

Like, I know it sounds awful and doesn't make sense, in theory. But it just burrows itself into my head like virtually nothing else.

It's like you can feel it struggling into life with every lurch it makes forward. And in listening to it you are rooting for it to live.

How can you not understand that!!!

I'm not surprised that you dig No Wave, given your affinity for the raw and unrefined, but unfortunately all I can see (or hear, I suppose) is a bunch of crayon dick doodles.

Last edited by Rock (5/25/2022 11:11 pm)