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Posted by Rock
5/18/2022 9:51 am
#41

I think with the proper context, Eggers remarks come across as pretty inoffensive. I stayed out if the discussion, mostly because I could not find the energy to care, but also because I think more directors should go around saying dumb and obnoxious shit. The world would be a funnier place.

As for offending crew members and whatnot, I understand if it's a smaller production it might look bad if Eggers threw his team under the bus, but I really didn't get that from his statements. Also, I don't think anybody who does those jobs is under the illusion that every movie they work on is beyond criticism. I know Elizabeth Olsen commented recently that she's offended by criticisms of the Marvel movies because it's unfair to the crew, but...c'mon. (I'm mostly annoyed by the huge loser mentality tied to those movies. Not only do they make more money than all other movies, but we need to give them all the awards and are not allowed from speaking ill of them. But I digress.)

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Posted by crumbsroom
5/18/2022 10:12 am
#42

Rock wrote:

That movie owns. One of the easier choices on my 2010s ballot.

I know a lot of westerners find Bollywood inaccessible (for reasons varying in legitimacy, imo; discussions on RT about Indian cinema tended to be pretty frustrating), but I think this is where the boisterous Bollywood style is key to the movie's commentary about the protagonists' self-aggrandizement/delusion. Everybody thinks they're the hero of their own movie. And like you point out, the length and intricacy of the plotting is key to its effect. There first half sets up layer after layer of vendettas to the point that the characters can't even grasp why they're being killed off when those vendettas start being followed through on.

Few films make criminality look so dismal in such an entertaining way.

I think, like most biases, those who have issues with Bollywood have developed those feelings from afar. Judging the feel and intent of these films with the most silly and empty stereotypes of them we glean from only a passing glance. I certainly had my own biases, growing up in a neighbourhood that was very Indian, with friends whose families would watch these movies on weekend afternoons. My eight year old eyes simply didn't even know how to process what they were looking at (it probably doesn't help that they were likely watching mostly very bad Indian films, but also that I hated both musicals and foreign films at that age, a double whammy)

My limited exposure to them has been exclusively positive though. And even when they double down on  the genres greatest and easiest to make fun of indulgences, the context of these musical numbers and heightened emotions makes them work.

I pretty much agree on all points about the film. It's just wall to wall madness, but in many ways, has this tense restraint running through it at all times. It never slips into total parody of genre epics, which makes its violence and mayhem all the more unsettling. And sometimes even funny.

And most of the music in it kicks ass (I just remember one song, that was in English, that I found particularly distracting)

 
Posted by crumbsroom
5/18/2022 10:54 am
#43

Rock wrote:

I think with the proper context, Eggers remarks come across as pretty inoffensive. I stayed out if the discussion, mostly because I could not find the energy to care, but also because I think more directors should go around saying dumb and obnoxious shit. The world would be a funnier place.

As for offending crew members and whatnot, I understand if it's a smaller production it might look bad if Eggers threw his team under the bus, but I really didn't get that from his statements. Also, I don't think anybody who does those jobs is under the illusion that every movie they work on is beyond criticism. I know Elizabeth Olsen commented recently that she's offended by criticisms of the Marvel movies because it's unfair to the crew, but...c'mon. (I'm mostly annoyed by the huge loser mentality tied to those movies. Not only do they make more money than all other movies, but we need to give them all the awards and are not allowed from speaking ill of them. But I digress.)

I get the argument about the crew. Up to a point. There is validity in a director maybe mincing words a bit in how he categorizes his work considering a lot of people have invested themselves in it as well. Totally fair that this might be how we'd prefer a director communicate, at least ideally.

But my issue is more general to the idea of people getting angry or hurt by people not communicating their point perfectly. There are so many ways his comment could be taken as completely inoffensive. There are so many ways this could have been misheard. There are so many ways that there might be more qualifiers in the conversation that would shed light on what he was frustrated by. And so when I saw people getting angry at what very well could have been little more than someone expressing an inability to appreciate their own creation (which speaks to a fair bit of sadness, especially considering all the positive affirmation he's received from it), I just thought maybe assuming the worst of the guy was a bit reflexive. And, for those who tout the importance of feelings all the time, maybe unneccessarily harsh.

But instead, in my pointing out that there sometimes is a lot of hurt that goes into being an artist (reading the biography of virtually any artists CLEARLY shows this), and that his comment may simply be a not ideally worded expression of this hurt, I just got a lot of doubling down that what he did was really gross and he was a douchebag and that maybe he's like other similar self centered artistic 'villains'. And it started to feel like a really weird conversation for people to already have such fully formed opinions on. Especially considered how they were seemingly pre filled with so much animosity. That even this pile of nothing excerpt from some probably totally crap interview was now something we shouldn't dare add any nuance or context to. Their imaginary juries had already come back with the verdict that someone feelings maybe, might have possibly been hurt. And if not the feelings of the crew, then maybe....the fans?

Basically, I'm just tired of how everyone is supposed to be using the same microscopes on the same words to find the same interpretations and experience the same feelings, or otherwise shut up, you're just part of the problem. Like I am just sooooooo sick of it. It's gotten to the point I hate talking about anything with anyone anymore because what exactly is even the point. Everything is a mine field. Everything is sacred ground. And it's an absolute intellectual dead end if you have to keep walking away from any kind of debate that might have any feelings attached to it (which seems to especially become the case if you dare point out how hollow some of the more purely emotional points of view ultimately are)
 

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Posted by Rock
5/18/2022 11:38 am
#44

crumbsroom wrote:

Rock wrote:

That movie owns. One of the easier choices on my 2010s ballot.

I know a lot of westerners find Bollywood inaccessible (for reasons varying in legitimacy, imo; discussions on RT about Indian cinema tended to be pretty frustrating), but I think this is where the boisterous Bollywood style is key to the movie's commentary about the protagonists' self-aggrandizement/delusion. Everybody thinks they're the hero of their own movie. And like you point out, the length and intricacy of the plotting is key to its effect. There first half sets up layer after layer of vendettas to the point that the characters can't even grasp why they're being killed off when those vendettas start being followed through on.

Few films make criminality look so dismal in such an entertaining way.

I think, like most biases, those who have issues with Bollywood have developed those feelings from afar. Judging the feel and intent of these films with the most silly and empty stereotypes of them we glean from only a passing glance. I certainly had my own biases, growing up in a neighbourhood that was very Indian, with friends whose families would watch these movies on weekend afternoons. My eight year old eyes simply didn't even know how to process what they were looking at (it probably doesn't help that they were likely watching mostly very bad Indian films, but also that I hated both musicals and foreign films at that age, a double whammy)

My limited exposure to them has been exclusively positive though. And even when they double down on  the genres greatest and easiest to make fun of indulgences, the context of these musical numbers and heightened emotions makes them work.

I pretty much agree on all points about the film. It's just wall to wall madness, but in many ways, has this tense restraint running through it at all times. It never slips into total parody of genre epics, which makes its violence and mayhem all the more unsettling. And sometimes even funny.

And most of the music in it kicks ass (I just remember one song, that was in English, that I found particularly distracting)

"Hunter"? That one is pretty goofy but I kind of like it.

Yeah, there are definitely bad Bollywood movies, but every single discussion of the topic on RT would have people entering the thread arms crossed, loudly declaring that it's dumb to have singing and dancing in movies and that all Indian cinema is bad based on the five minutes they saw of one once, and immediately leaving the thread before anybody could change their mind.

I will say that it seems attitudes have changed over the last few years. I suspect the availability of these movies on streaming has made it easier for people to dip their toes in.


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Posted by Rock
5/18/2022 11:53 am
#45

crumbsroom wrote:

Rock wrote:

I think with the proper context, Eggers remarks come across as pretty inoffensive. I stayed out if the discussion, mostly because I could not find the energy to care, but also because I think more directors should go around saying dumb and obnoxious shit. The world would be a funnier place.

As for offending crew members and whatnot, I understand if it's a smaller production it might look bad if Eggers threw his team under the bus, but I really didn't get that from his statements. Also, I don't think anybody who does those jobs is under the illusion that every movie they work on is beyond criticism. I know Elizabeth Olsen commented recently that she's offended by criticisms of the Marvel movies because it's unfair to the crew, but...c'mon. (I'm mostly annoyed by the huge loser mentality tied to those movies. Not only do they make more money than all other movies, but we need to give them all the awards and are not allowed from speaking ill of them. But I digress.)

I get the argument about the crew. Up to a point. There is validity in a director maybe mincing words a bit in how he categorizes his work considering a lot of people have invested themselves in it as well. Totally fair that this might be how we'd prefer a director communicate, at least ideally.

But my issue is more general to the idea of people getting angry or hurt by people not communicating their point perfectly. There are so many ways his comment could be taken as completely inoffensive. There are so many ways this could have been misheard. There are so many ways that there might be more qualifiers in the conversation that would shed light on what he was frustrated by. And so when I saw people getting angry at what very well could have been little more than someone expressing an inability to appreciate their own creation (which speaks to a fair bit of sadness, especially considering all the positive affirmation he's received from it), I just thought maybe assuming the worst of the guy was a bit reflexive. And, for those who tout the importance of feelings all the time, maybe unneccessarily harsh.

But instead, in my pointing out that there sometimes is a lot of hurt that goes into being an artist (reading the biography of virtually any artists CLEARLY shows this), and that his comment may simply be a not ideally worded expression of this hurt, I just got a lot of doubling down that what he did was really gross and he was a douchebag and that maybe he's like other similar self centered artistic 'villains'. And it started to feel like a really weird conversation for people to already have such fully formed opinions on. Especially considered how they were seemingly pre filled with so much animosity. That even this pile of nothing excerpt from some probably totally crap interview was now something we shouldn't dare add any nuance or context to. Their imaginary juries had already come back with the verdict that someone feelings maybe, might have possibly been hurt. And if not the feelings of the crew, then maybe....the fans?

Basically, I'm just tired of how everyone is supposed to be using the same microscopes on the same words to find the same interpretations and experience the same feelings, or otherwise shut up, you're just part of the problem. Like I am just sooooooo sick of it. It's gotten to the point I hate talking about anything with anyone anymore because what exactly is even the point. Everything is a mine field. Everything is sacred ground. And it's an absolute intellectual dead end if you have to keep walking away from any kind of debate that might have any feelings attached to it (which seems to especially become the case if you dare point out how hollow some of the more purely emotional points of view ultimately are)
 

I don't know if you're familiar with youtuber Lindsay Ellis, but her case is one of the most off putting examples of this happening I can remember. Basically, she made an off the cuff tweet about a Disney movie (an observation, not even a criticism), which was immediately interpreted as racist by a large chunk of Twitter, who basically harassed her off the platform. One of the common themes was how she should "listen to POCs" and apologize, which was disingenuous on a number of levels: apparently a number of the harassed were just pretending to be POCs, her actual remarks weren't actually racist (she suggested that Raya the Last Dragon or whatever was influenced by Avatar the Last Airbender, and was far from the only one to have made this observation), not to mention that POCs are not a monolith and are perfectly capable of having shite opinions on pop culture (tbh I find the use of this as an automatic trump card in online debate a little racist). And the eventual outcome was that Ellis, prioritizing her mental health And tired of the online harassment, decided to stop making her video essays, something she'd done for like a decade and was very good at. Good job, people. The stupids have won.


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Posted by crumbsroom
5/18/2022 1:12 pm
#46

Rock wrote:

crumbsroom wrote:

Rock wrote:

I think with the proper context, Eggers remarks come across as pretty inoffensive. I stayed out if the discussion, mostly because I could not find the energy to care, but also because I think more directors should go around saying dumb and obnoxious shit. The world would be a funnier place.

As for offending crew members and whatnot, I understand if it's a smaller production it might look bad if Eggers threw his team under the bus, but I really didn't get that from his statements. Also, I don't think anybody who does those jobs is under the illusion that every movie they work on is beyond criticism. I know Elizabeth Olsen commented recently that she's offended by criticisms of the Marvel movies because it's unfair to the crew, but...c'mon. (I'm mostly annoyed by the huge loser mentality tied to those movies. Not only do they make more money than all other movies, but we need to give them all the awards and are not allowed from speaking ill of them. But I digress.)

I get the argument about the crew. Up to a point. There is validity in a director maybe mincing words a bit in how he categorizes his work considering a lot of people have invested themselves in it as well. Totally fair that this might be how we'd prefer a director communicate, at least ideally.

But my issue is more general to the idea of people getting angry or hurt by people not communicating their point perfectly. There are so many ways his comment could be taken as completely inoffensive. There are so many ways this could have been misheard. There are so many ways that there might be more qualifiers in the conversation that would shed light on what he was frustrated by. And so when I saw people getting angry at what very well could have been little more than someone expressing an inability to appreciate their own creation (which speaks to a fair bit of sadness, especially considering all the positive affirmation he's received from it), I just thought maybe assuming the worst of the guy was a bit reflexive. And, for those who tout the importance of feelings all the time, maybe unneccessarily harsh.

But instead, in my pointing out that there sometimes is a lot of hurt that goes into being an artist (reading the biography of virtually any artists CLEARLY shows this), and that his comment may simply be a not ideally worded expression of this hurt, I just got a lot of doubling down that what he did was really gross and he was a douchebag and that maybe he's like other similar self centered artistic 'villains'. And it started to feel like a really weird conversation for people to already have such fully formed opinions on. Especially considered how they were seemingly pre filled with so much animosity. That even this pile of nothing excerpt from some probably totally crap interview was now something we shouldn't dare add any nuance or context to. Their imaginary juries had already come back with the verdict that someone feelings maybe, might have possibly been hurt. And if not the feelings of the crew, then maybe....the fans?

Basically, I'm just tired of how everyone is supposed to be using the same microscopes on the same words to find the same interpretations and experience the same feelings, or otherwise shut up, you're just part of the problem. Like I am just sooooooo sick of it. It's gotten to the point I hate talking about anything with anyone anymore because what exactly is even the point. Everything is a mine field. Everything is sacred ground. And it's an absolute intellectual dead end if you have to keep walking away from any kind of debate that might have any feelings attached to it (which seems to especially become the case if you dare point out how hollow some of the more purely emotional points of view ultimately are)
 

I don't know if you're familiar with youtuber Lindsay Ellis, but her case is one of the most off putting examples of this happening I can remember. Basically, she made an off the cuff tweet about a Disney movie (an observation, not even a criticism), which was immediately interpreted as racist by a large chunk of Twitter, who basically harassed her off the platform. One of the common themes was how she should "listen to POCs" and apologize, which was disingenuous on a number of levels: apparently a number of the harassed were just pretending to be POCs, her actual remarks weren't actually racist (she suggested that Raya the Last Dragon or whatever was influenced by Avatar the Last Airbender, and was far from the only one to have made this observation), not to mention that POCs are not a monolith and are perfectly capable of having shite opinions on pop culture (tbh I find the use of this as an automatic trump card in online debate a little racist). And the eventual outcome was that Ellis, prioritizing her mental health And tired of the online harassment, decided to stop making her video essays, something she'd done for like a decade and was very good at. Good job, people. The stupids have won.

I'm not, but it seems an unsurprising thing to happen.

My ex, who is a laywer, has talked about similar issues happening with judges. They mispeak in a verdict or maybe even come to a not so great judgement, or (as it seems so often to be the case) the problems are simply a result of straight up errors on the offended parties, and they are put through the public ringer until the are ousted or resign in shame. And this happens in cases where these very judges have otherwise had exemplary records on left wing, humanistic, equal rights causes. And yet, because of some misinterpretation of the public, or a poorly worded judgement, or because they didn't do their best work on one case, they are considered spoiled goods. And we lose all of the good judgments they might eventually make in the future because of whatever emotions were riled up by one particularly misunderstood, misheard or mistaken one

Yes, as always, good work people.
 

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Posted by Jinnistan
5/18/2022 3:24 pm
#47

Rock wrote:

I know Elizabeth Olsen commented recently that she's offended by criticisms of the Marvel movies because it's unfair to the crew, but...c'mon. (I'm mostly annoyed by the huge loser mentality tied to those movies. Not only do they make more money than all other movies, but we need to give them all the awards and are not allowed from speaking ill of them. But I digress.)

Yes, c'mon, indeed.  It reminds me of similar offence claimed against Scorsese for his cruel harmful words against Marvel films, both in the taking a fairly innocuous statement into complete hyperbolic vitriol and in feigning bereavement from being such a dominating success.  In fact, I believe the same poster slamming Eggers was using the same language against Scorsese: "narcissist", "selfish", "asshole", etc.


 
Posted by Jinnistan
5/18/2022 4:07 pm
#48

crumbsroom wrote:

I get the argument about the crew. Up to a point. There is validity in a director maybe mincing words a bit in how he categorizes his work considering a lot of people have invested themselves in it as well. Totally fair that this might be how we'd prefer a director communicate, at least ideally.

Eh.  I mean, I'd feel differently if Eggers said anything remotely like throwing his crew under the bus, which significantly he did not, and, to your following point, just makes this whole knee-jerk victimizing cosplay even more embarrassing.  I feel like the crew, in this context, are vulnerable fodder, used as shields against any and all criticism, and I've personally, once upon a time, was told at RT that one of my brutal critiques of a film was a slur against all of the hard work of those poor souls who put so much sweat and effort into yada yada.  It's like those people who always use children as political cover, "think of the babies!"  And frankly, whether here or in the Marvel context, there's frequently a presumed anti-auteurist vibe to this, which I'm sure the "narcissist artist" attitude attributes towards.  In a way, it's a roundabout way of saying "how dare Robert Eggers think that he's solely responsible for his artistic vision".  Well, now I've seen all three of Eggers' films, and I believe that all of them are also shot by Jarin Blaschke, and I'm sure he has other faithful collaborators (who probably aren't offended by Eggers' comments about his debut effort).  But I can say that there is definitely evidence of a singular vision, a voice, that runs through those films, the kind of signature that good directors tend to stamp onto their work.  And anyway, if Eggers was a narcissist, I doubt that he would dare be so self-critical in the first place, but clearly self-criticism is a fundamental part of refining the artistic process, and early work, almost invariably, will be viewed by the artist as the most crude.

crumbsroom wrote:

I just got a lot of doubling down that what he did was really gross and he was a douchebag and that maybe he's like other similar self centered artistic 'villains'. And it started to feel like a really weird conversation for people to already have such fully formed opinions on. Especially considered how they were seemingly pre filled with so much animosity. That even this pile of nothing excerpt from some probably totally crap interview was now something we shouldn't dare add any nuance or context to. Their imaginary juries had already come back with the verdict that someone feelings maybe, might have possibly been hurt. And if not the feelings of the crew, then maybe....the fans?

This is why I'm glad not to be involved in that discussion.  Little Ash was very kind, imo.  I think it's pretty clear that Eggers' comments were blown up and distorted by twitter hearsay, and no one bothered to actually look at the actual comments until after the argument erupted, and then the comments were selectively edited to fit the predetermined narrative.  This is also exactly what happened with those Martin Scorsese/Marvel comments.  And this is also what happened with the Liam Neeson comments, and various other controversies where people just see a headline or a twitter post and don't bother taking a few minutes to look deeper before committing themselves to a fortified position on the cultural battlefield.  After that, it's all up to jockying and framing and fitting the facts into the narrative.  Some blame social media, but I think it's simply an accelerant to our base impulses, and if social media is responsible for anything it's been in traing us to obey our basest impulsivity.  Gotta bake them hot takes!


 
Posted by Rock
5/19/2022 12:21 am
#49

crumbsroom wrote:

There is something particularly revelatory about watching Rufus Thomas calling his audience down to dance on the field during one saying, leading to a fantastic bit of footage where people of all ages are dancing and not giving a shit about the rules, and then having Thomas immediately scold them back to their seats at the beginning of his next song.

Got a good chuckle out of this part.


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Posted by crumbsroom
5/21/2022 9:56 pm
#50


This Potrykus guy is onto something. Two films in and he seems completely dialed in on how to make us squirm over mundanity and loneliness. His frequently minimalistic style betrays the reality he isn't playing with any rules of genre constraint and he is unafraid of taking leaps of fantasy. Understands the sad poetry of a sticky couch.

While I didn't enjoy this one as much as the other one (I don't remember the name of it), the guy has a clear signature and he makes me pay attention to him, even after I think he's starting to annoy me. And his movies are undoubtedly kind of irritating, but then he transcends all of this, not unlike Harmony Korrine managed to do in the 90s.
 

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Posted by crumbsroom
5/23/2022 8:42 pm
#51

And now Agrip(etc) is quoting me out of context over in the movie forums to justify her sociopathic worldview.

Great! Just what I was hoping for!

I think I need to invent a new language and forget this one and then all of my problems will be over.
 

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Posted by Jinnistan
5/23/2022 9:01 pm
#52

crumbsroom wrote:

And now Agrip(etc) is quoting me out of context over in the movie forums to justify her sociopathic worldview.

Great! Just what I was hoping for!

I think I need to invent a new language and forget this one and then all of my problems will be over.
 

So what's this about? 

I perused some of the convo about Franklin, but, even skipping over all of Stu's memes, I still had to skim a lot of it.  A conversation about Maniac and similarly disturbing films, and we end up with a debate about the depiction of the handicapped in Texas Chainsaw Massacre


 
Posted by crumbsroom
5/23/2022 9:09 pm
#53

Jinnistan wrote:

crumbsroom wrote:

And now Agrip(etc) is quoting me out of context over in the movie forums to justify her sociopathic worldview.

Great! Just what I was hoping for!

I think I need to invent a new language and forget this one and then all of my problems will be over.
 

So what's this about? 

I perused some of the convo about Franklin, but, even skipping over all of Stu's memes, I still had to skim a lot of it.  A conversation about Maniac and similarly disturbing films, and we end up with a debate about the depiction of the handicapped in Texas Chainsaw Massacre

Yeah, in that thread. Just posted it. I don't even know why she grabbed that particular quote. Or what it has to do with what she's trying to prove. Maybe she's making some homemade headcheese of her own and thought she found an ally.

As for that thread itself, it's probably because I'm burnt out on work, but I don't even think I know what the argument is in there anymore. But that's what happens when I get bored at the hospital cafeteria after being coughed on by people dying of COVID all day long..Lots and lots of aimless responses I get bored of myself halfway through.
 

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Posted by crumbsroom
5/23/2022 9:58 pm
#54


More Potrykus. There is an open hostility in so many of his film that I feel they should be putting me off, but instead they just keep drawing me back.

It's not as formally daring as The Alchemist, or as confrontational and compellingly irritating as Relaxer, but is probably his funniest. But, like those others, it also is similarly unafraid to go as weird or as dark as it needs to be to get whatever emotion in the audience he is looking for. This guy is the real deal of anti-social cinema. And it's currently speaking my language.

While none of these are masterpieces or anything, I think I'm in love with this director.
 

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Posted by Rock
5/23/2022 10:33 pm
#55

I'm 90% sure that A) grip was scoping out the thread in order to figure out what the most insane, morally bankrupt take one can have in this debate and B) Stu's posts were an excuse to inelegantly introduce Family Guy memes.


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Posted by crumbsroom
5/23/2022 10:38 pm
#56

Rock wrote:

I'm 90% sure that A) grip was scoping out the thread in order to figure out what the most insane, morally bankrupt take one can have in this debate and B) Stu's posts were an excuse to inelegantly introduce Family Guy memes.

Possibly the most lucid take from the entire exchange.

I only stay at that place to converse with old RTers, and maybe five 'forumers'. The rest of the time I just want to die being there.

 
Posted by crumbsroom
5/23/2022 10:40 pm
#57


A half hour short, by you know who. The least interesting of everything I've seen so far, and I don't think I'd necessarily even identify this as a work by him. But it still has a lot going for it with it's strange but simple premise, the dynamics between the kid actors, it's wtf sense of humor. And, if nothing else, it has the best title of any of his films.
 

 
Posted by crumbsroom
5/23/2022 11:04 pm
#58





 
Posted by crumbsroom
5/23/2022 11:10 pm
#59



I had no idea there was a video for this
 

 
Posted by Jinnistan
5/24/2022 12:28 am
#60

crumbsroom wrote:

Possibly the most lucid take from the entire exchange.

Rock's posts were definitely the best.

*falls down while taking a leak*


 


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