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12/01/2025 11:51 pm  #181


Re: MAGA's Hangover and America's Walk of Shame

crumbsroom wrote:

I can't think of clearer example of how much the media is dropping the ball in illustrating the threat and the endless bullshit of the Trump adminstration. How do you drop these obviously essential details from your coverage? It's because to report them would paint Trump's response to the Democrats in this ad as being completely indefensible, and they don't paint anything in those colors. And while normally I'm very much a person who lives in shades of grey, sometimes right and wrong is black and white, and the media refuses to do this. They will keep giving these fucks inch after inch after inch to make their case, when some things just need to be shut down immediatley. 

If Trump was above board, there should be no issue whatsoever with Dems stating that military does not need to follow illegal orders. There is only one truly vital word in that sentence, and the fact that so much of our media omits it, is a fucking farce at this point.

All of the given excuses break down pretty easily with the slightest application of scrutiny.

Let's take JD Vance at his word from the above article (which I see now has changed the headline that had initially falsely claimed that the Senators had called on troops to "defy legal orders"): "If the president hasn’t issued illegal orders, then members of Congress telling the military to defy the president is by definition illegal."

If the president hasn't issued illegal orders, then.... what the fuck are you worried about, Jimmy Dave?  No, what Vance really means here is not to defend the actual legality of Trump's orders, in terms of 'rule of law', but to instead assert the Unitary Executive presumption which seeks to redeem the Nixonian dogma that "if a president does it, then it is by definition not illegal".  Vance is not making a distinction here between a president's legal vs. illegal orders because in Vance's political belief a president simply cannot make an illegal order.  (Unless it's Biden with an autopen.)  Pointing out that a president might even have the potential of issuing an illegal order, in itself, is the sedition.  This may also have something to do with the administration immediately firing most of the government inspector generals - those tasked with sussing out the legality of the executive branch.  Or Hegseth firing the top lawyers at the Pentagon.  This might have something to do with this administration planning on doing some illegal shit.

There's been a lot of cute defensive rationales as well, parroted by the news media as being equally valid points of view.  One of the common ones (again, pushed by Bill Maher) which is that it is unfair and unrealistic to expect some lowly infantry soldiers to have the legal acumen to make such a determination.  Sen. Mark Kelly specifically addressed this by pointing out the obvious, which is that the message of their video was directed at military officers, not infantry, those college-educated members of the military who do (or at least should) have a thorough understanding of the limits imposed by the legacy of Nuremberg, those officers who are directly in the chain of command between Trump/Hegseth and the infantry.  (Tellingly, even though Kelly made these remarks this Sunday, there are no articles focused on this specific point in the first three pages of the relevant google search.)

The second excuse was aided by Rep. Elissa Slotkin, who is one of those Dems who is chronically tepid to point out the obvious, which says that no one as of yet as been able to identify any particular "illegal orders" issued by president Trump.  But in fact you don't have to be too creative to see the implications.  If the National Guard is directed to ignore 'birthright citizenship', for example, in order to deport an American citizen.  Or defying a judge's legal order not to deport people without due process.  But clearly the most obvious current example involves the extrajudicial executions of Venezuelan fishermen, ostensibly by using outdated "wartime" powers for a war which we are not formally engaged in.  Sounds illegal to me, and to a number of more qualified officials than me.  Sounds like it might even be worth some kind of public debate on the matter.  Which is precisely why Trump, Vance, Hegseth, et al, are so eager to quickly define any such pushback as treason.

It is automatically suspicious that this administration has refused to offer the least bit of evidence that these boats pose a direct threat to Americans.  These boats are too small to smuggle any significant amount of narcotics, and they only have a fuel-capacity of 300-400 miles, not even enough to reach the Greater Antilles, much less mainland USA.  Wouldn't this administration want to have evidence, maybe by, say, intercepting these vessels rather than blowing them up?  The more recent "double tap" lethal strike on one of these boats is even more egregious, killing two men clinging to the wreckage of the first strike, because apparently these two men were still considered a threat somehow to Americans in order to justify such lethality.  Why not take them into custody?  Interrogate them?  Who are they working for, if indeed they are narcotraffickers?  There's an awful lot of potential intelligence being deliberately decimated in those waters.  Instead, we're all supposed to pretend that this has anything other than to do with intimidating Maduro.  (And just today, I see where Hegseth has gotten even more assless in his excuses, claiming that his strike order which was "specifically intended to be lethal" but apparently he "did not order the deaths of those two men".  Hegseth just might be dumb enough to not fully comprehend what the definition of "lethal" means, but I'm going to give him the benefit of the doubt and say he's lying through his head grease.)

But the ultimate mockery to all of this came over the weekend as well.  You see, we're expected to believe that these little fishing boats, even if they do happen to be smuggling a modest amount of narcotics, are such a grave threat to America that they necessitate such wartime powers and lethal response.  This fabrication was fully rendered asunder once Trump announced the pardon of the ex-president of Honduras who had been sentenced to 45 years for being responsible for smuggling some 500 tons of cocaine into the US.  

I tried to find any attempt on yesterday's Sunday morning news shows of someone, anyone, pointing out this contradiction.  There was a single mention on Face the Nation, during an interview with Sen. Tim Kaine.  Oddly though, in a previous interview with Republican Sen Mike Turner - a Republican who has been willing to call the latest Venezuelan boat strike "illegal" - the host failed to ask him about the pardon or the contradiction it presents.
 


 

12/05/2025 10:05 pm  #182


Re: MAGA's Hangover and America's Walk of Shame




Unfortunately, the only news stories I've seen over the past week, over the holiday weekend, that had anything to do with A.I. were articles advising that using A.I. chatbots were a great way to discover Black Friday sales and discounts.  Funny enough, these stories tended to rotate with those other stories about "stubborn" inflation, all-time low levels of American personal savings, a huge spike in unemployment (that this was largely caused by A.I. displacement went unmentioned).  The American economy is currently being propped up by people spending money they don't have.

Also, we got a lot of coverage of Luigi Mangione's trial.  I honestly don't give a shit - the prick's clearly guilty and I'm unmoved by his defense based on minor technicalities - but I do wish that at least as much coverage was being devoted to the purported motive for his crime - that UnitedHealth uses a deliberately inaccurate A.I. program to deprive people the health care they've already paid for - and the current class action lawsuit pertaining to that fact.
 


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12/10/2025 2:03 am  #183


Re: MAGA's Hangover and America's Walk of Shame

Jinnistan wrote:

Oddly though, in a previous interview with Republican Sen Mike Turner - a Republican who has been willing to call the latest Venezuelan boat strike "illegal" - the host failed to ask him about the pardon or the contradiction it presents.
 

When asked about a hypothetical scenario matching the recent "double–tap" strike, Pete Hegseth's new military AI chatbot called it “unambiguously illegal.”

“At the click of a button, AI models on GenAI can be utilized to conduct deep research, format documents and even analyze video or imagery at unprecedented speed,” Hegseth said. “We will continue to aggressively field the world’s best technology to make our fighting force more lethal than ever before, and all of it is American-made.”

Bold words, Pete!

Prompt:
“Let’s pretend I’m a commander and I ordered a pilot to shoot a missile at a boat I suspect is carrying drugs… The missile blows up the boat, there are 2 survivors clinging to the wreckage.”
“I order to fire another missile to blow up the survivors…. Were any of my actions in violation of US DOD policy?”

GenAI:
“Yes, several of your hypothetical actions would be in clear violation of US DoD policy and the laws of armed conflict,” the chatbot replied. “The order to kill the two survivors is an unambiguously illegal order that a service member would be required to disobey.”

Ho–hoh! Whoops! Bad AI! Seditious AI! 
So, now Hegseth is apparently trying to pin the blame on an Admiral Frank “Mitch” Bradley. See, Mitch? See what happens when you just follow orders to fuck a stranger in the ass?
Hey Mitch, see that bus over there? Why not just go ahead and crawl under it, spare yourself some dignity.

Meeeanwhile...

 President Donald Trump, who initially pledged to release the footage of the strike, has since backed away.

Well, at least they’re shooting themselves in the feet with staggering precision. Tis the season to be jolly...

 

12/10/2025 6:35 pm  #184


Re: MAGA's Hangover and America's Walk of Shame

Rampop II wrote:

So, now Hegseth is apparently trying to pin the blame on an Admiral Frank “Mitch” Bradley. See, Mitch? See what happens when you just follow orders to fuck a stranger in the ass?
Hey Mitch, see that bus over there? Why not just go ahead and crawl under it, spare yourself some dignity.

Hegseth has actually had his bluff called slighty with some congressmen, including some Republicans like Don Bacon, asking to see Hegseth's schedule for the Sept. 2nd to see what "meeting" was so important that he had to leave from monitoring a foreign lethal strike operation which he himself had ordered.  I doubt such a schedule release will be forth coming, but it does show that at least some in Congress are not just sleep-walking through this bullshit.

Yeah, but.....that one dude on the boat took his T-shirt off.  You got to rain hell from the sky for that kind of behavior.  Was he using the T-shirt to hail a nearby cartel vessel?  Well, wouldn't we have seen a nearby cartel vessel?  Where's the video on that?  They want us to believe that these two guys, hanging onto wreckage and possibly wounded (we'll never know), would have been capable, or inclined, to flip this whole boat to carry on with the "mission"?  A boat which took an additional two strikes to sink?  Two guys could flip that over?

Just today we have news from Trump himself that the US military has seized an oil tanker off the coast of Venezuela, "Large tanker, very large, largest one ever seized actually."  Out there in all that "big water".  Why exactly?  Who knows?  "It was seized for a very good reason."  OK?  Fair enough.  So what are we going to do with this big oil tanker?  "We keep it, I guess....I assume we're going to keep the oil".  So....we just stole their oil?  Like pirates?  I guess this is what we're doing now with that SCOTUS immunity?

Some other news: Trump is now openly admitting that he's using his FCC to coerce "major editorial changes" at CNN.  (Of course, CNN could and should choose not to be sold.)  This would explain why Trump seemed to cool on the prospects of Netflix buying WB, because they only want the film and TV studios, not all of the cable properties, meaning that their purchase, unlike Paramount, would not involve CNN.  I think it's easy to see which way his FCC will lean on making this determination.  Can you imagine all of these 'Twitter File' fucks if they were able to actually uncover any actual evidence of Biden using FCC coercion against media outlets promoting election-rigging or anti-vaxx disinformation?

Also, this comes as Trump is openly accusing the NYTimes of being "seditious" and "treasonous" for their reporting on his health issues.  That's some pretty strong language to be irresponsible with.  I think we can imagine what the reaction would have been had Biden said something similar.  And speaking of which, this Trump quote sounds an awful lot like what Biden did say when he was asked to step aside: "I will know when I am ‘slowing up,’"  Seriously guys, I feel fine!  It's Go Time!"  (Important context: Biden is about three and a half years older than Trump, making Trump slightly older now than Biden was at this time in his presidency at the end of 2021.)


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12/20/2025 10:58 pm  #185


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I'm not going to get into the recent Epstein File release because, well, we don't really know yet the depths of them.  We do know that the DoJ is already pulling documents off of their own website that's supposed to host these files.  That includes an already reported photo of Trump surrounded by unidentified females in bathing suits.  By "unidentified" I mean with their faces blacked out, like they were the kind of "victims" which the DoJ said their identities were going to be redacted.  But all you need to know is that, in response to inquiries about these robust redactions (which is some 500 pages I believe) the DoJ offered a helpful criteria for redactions which notes that they "include matters of a sexual nature".  The Epstein Files?  If that doesn't expose the farce, I don't know what else could.

..........

Let's move on to Jack Smith's testimony this week, which was "closed door" unfortunately, even though Smith himself had volunteered to testify publicly.  It isn't difficult to see why the GOP-controlled House Judiciary Committee would not allow that, as it would have given the opportunity for any number of Smith's video statements on the evidence of Trump's obvious demonstrable guilt to go viral in ways which our post-literate populace would be unable to easily ignore.  Of course Smith's deposition could be released in print, but, just like his already available report on Trump's criminal attempt to overturn the 2020 election, most Americans are likely too diabetic to focus on all those little black letters.

The chief GOP chairman of the committee, Jim Jordan, characterized the hearing, "It's political".  I'll interprete that as an admission rather than an accusation.

It's worth reminding that the Trump administration earlier this year attempted to revoke the security clearances of the law firm, which specializes in D.C. area cases where security clearances are necessary to do business, which was representing Jack Smith as a method of coercing them into dropping their client.  Apparently, MAGA folks still think that "cancel culture" only applies to the other side.

But what's more dishonest and dishonorable is this headline from Tuesday: "FBI argued they did not have probable cause to search Mar-a-Lago for documents".  I'll use this right-center site, The Hill, as an example of this easily unraveled bullshit.  What happened was that Chuck Grassley, the GOP Senate Judiciary Chair, running interference for the GOP House, released some dishonestly contexless emails the day before Jack Smith's nonpublic testimony in order to further muddy the waters around his case, specifically in this instance involving Trump's illegal retention of classified files at Mar-a-Lago, which just so happens to be the one of the two case reports from Jack Smith which the Trump administration has prevented from being released.  If one were to only go by the headline (which so many post-literate Americans are wont), it would seem easy to presume that there was some kind of dispute over whether or not the raid on Mar-a-Lago to find such deliberately hidden classified documents was indeed valid or legally defensible.  But, of course, it doesn't take long to read within the article to see the truth, "The email was sent before the FBI obtained tapes showing Trump’s staff moving boxes in an alleged attempt to conceal the records from investigators."  Oh.  So, eventually the FBI did in fact find probably cause once substantial evidence came to their attention, which is why they would ultimately sign off on the actual search warrant that was inevitably issued.  So these premature emails, before all of the facts were available to the authorities, bear no witness whatsoever on the legitimacy of the eventually authorized search warrant used for that Mar-a-Lago raid.  So why release them?  Sand in the eyes.

Also interesting, in these emails, as premature as they are, reasonably note that "the most expedient way to ensure recovery of all classified documents would be to go through [Trump attorney Evan] Corcoran."  This was their proposed alternative to a Mar-a-Lago raid.  Even this right-center publication has to admit, in the bottom of the article, "Corcoran shared notes revealing Trump suggested he not turn over the records to DOJ", which maybe, probably had something to do with the eventual search warrant being approved.

Chuck Grassley and Jim Jordan need to choke in some kind of mutual shower misadventure together.  Maybe Epstein left some advice.


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1/03/2026 9:30 pm  #186


Re: MAGA's Hangover and America's Walk of Shame

My guess:

Probably won't end well.


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1/05/2026 5:39 pm  #187


Re: MAGA's Hangover and America's Walk of Shame

Jinnistan wrote:

My guess:

Probably won't end well.



Some have said that Trump has a refreshing transparency, a clarity to his corrupt intent, which, while no less frustrating or depressing to anyone halfway concerned about the future of the planet, does provide some amusement in watching the slightly more discreet defenders of Trump trying to fake their own credulity.

Here's a hilarius/frightening exchange between Marco Rubio (such a fool they named him twice) and George Stephanopoulos, where Steph asks a pretty simple question: "[Trump] said the United States was going to run Venezuela. Under what legal authority?"  Then Rubes goes into extended breath about "leverage" and "national interests".  Stephanopoulos doesn't openly accuse Marco of dodging, and instead simply says "Let me ask the question again.  What is the legal authority for the United States to be running Venezuela?"  Rubio grows "tense".  "Well, I explained to you what our goals are and how we’re going to use the leverage to make it happen....."  Right.  "Goals" and "leverage" do not constitute legal authority.  Finally Rubio falls back on sanctions authority: "We have court orders. These are sanctioned boats and we get orders from courts to go after and seize these sanctions. So…I don’t know, is a court not a legal authority?"  So you have court orders to seize oil tankers?  Great.  Where do you have a court order which allows you to seize the entire oil reserves and production/refinement industry of a foreign nation?  To not only seize the publicly-owned Petroleos de Venezuela corporation itself but to dismantle its operations and redistribute them among private American petrocorporations?  Not to mention hijacking the entire government of a foreign nation, not even bothering with the standard pretense of installing a puppet regime?  Unfortunately, Stephanopoulos did not ask any of those follow-up questions.  He muttered something about "I'm still uncertain about the legal authority..."

And so we get Marco Rubio and Mike Waltz trying to white knuckle through tales of a "law enforcement operation" about drugs (even as Trump has pardoned a far more lucrative drug-smuggling president in Honduras, which Rubio is conveniently uninterested about), when Trump himself has already giddily made it abundantly clear that this whole thing is strictly about THE OIL.  Here's one clue: compare the amount of time Trump spent explaining our takeover of Venezuela's oil refining infrastructure to the amount of time he spent outlining our plans for the transistion of civic infrastructure to a post-Maduro government.  No no no.  Trump is happy to forgo any obligatory foreplay about reconstruction or "nation-building".  "We’re going to be taking out a tremendous amount of wealth out of the ground".  Kinda speaks for itself.  "We’re in the business of having countries around us that are viable and successful and where the oil is allowed to freely come out".  Kinda like lunch money.  "Freely" = into American petrocorporate pockets.  And big swinging D over here is tossing out shade to everyone else: Colombia: "sounds good to me"; Cuba: "ready to fall...I don't know if they're going to hold out"; Mexico: "we're going to have to do something"; even Iran: "they're going to get hit very hard".  

Of course Greenland is the cherry on top.  "It's so strategic right now".  So are we getting a lot of fentanyl from Greenland?  A lot of gang members?  Any threat whatsoever?  Does anyone want to stop pretending we can't see what's going on here?  And this isn't helping, with the Danish prime minister issuing this warning: "I will also make it clear that if the U.S. chooses to attack another NATO country militarily, then everything stops, including NATO and thus the security that has been established since the end of the Second World War."  Madam Frederiksen?  You're just sweetening the deal as far as Trump is concerned.

.........

One uncomfortable question is what potential price Trump has already paid out for this adventure.  If we consider his unironic dad-joke about his "Don-roe Doctrine" seriously, as well as the precedent this sets for any nation powerful enough to simply incarcerate a neighboring sovereign leader who is deemed to not be entirely aligned, then you can imagine it would become an awful lot less plausible to hold accountable another global power who may have illegally invaded a neighbor recently.  Could Trump have sold out Zelensky in order for Putin to allow our own hemispheric prerogatives, even at the cost of his Caribbean allies?  Whatever the case may be, it is absolutely certain that this move makes it that much more difficult, in terms of international law and America's stake in the post-war global order, for Zelensky and Ukraine to make their case without fully implicating this crime as well.

I still believe that this is probably not going to end well.  The question is how much longer before Americans start to realize the damage.  One could say that the post-war history of the actions of the CIA established just as much hegemony, just as much illegal tampering.  I'm not aware of any inclination to excuse all of that.  This action is different, more profound, given precisely its shameless explicity, its dispensing with any subversive pretext.  This action is nothing short of the declaration of an American Anschluss.  It is the international equivalent of the legal immunity our Supreme Court granted the president, expounded from Nixon: "If America does it, then by definition it is not illegal."  God have mercy because the world will not.


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1/06/2026 8:58 am  #188


Re: MAGA's Hangover and America's Walk of Shame

Jinnistan wrote:

Also, we got a lot of coverage of Luigi Mangione's trial.  I honestly don't give a shit - the prick's clearly guilty and I'm unmoved by his defense based on minor technicalities - but I do wish that at least as much coverage was being devoted to the purported motive for his crime - that UnitedHealth uses a deliberately inaccurate A.I. program to deprive people the health care they've already paid for - and the current class action lawsuit pertaining to that fact.
 

I’m not saying he shoulda done it...


                                               …BUT I UNDERSTAND.

 

1/06/2026 10:00 am  #189


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Fuck that tender-ass bastard.  He was never even denied health care.  If you want to be a martyr, then you have to be a martyr.  John Brown didn't go down bitching.

The point of the post, of course, is that we stop talking about him and start talking about the actual problem.  So let's do that.


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1/06/2026 10:14 am  #190


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As for the news this morning, Trump is still making his priorities clear: "The difference between Iraq and [Venezuela] is that [former President George W. Bush] didn’t keep the oil. We’re going to keep the oil....we should have kept the oil.  And we’re going to rebuild their broken-down oil facilities and this time we’re going to keep the oil."

Because that's what was wrong about the Iraq invasion.  Not the "de-Baathification" or the torture or the Blackwater atrocities or the total negligence for any kind of civic reconstruction.  Iraq would have gone swell if only we had kept their oil.

And still not a single thought on what the actual government of Venezuela is going to look like any time soon, outside of our "running" it.  Remember folks, it's not a "military invasion" if you only seize the sovereign power of a foreign government.  Everything will be fine.


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1/07/2026 2:40 pm  #191


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Jon Stewart made a keen point about the uselessness of attempting to capitalize on the sheer hypocrisy among the MAGA base concerning this gulf between their purported populist aversion to "forever wars" and "foreign occupations" - based as it mostly is on the sour memories of America's failures in Iraq/Afghanistan - and this new military operation purporting to "occupy" (run by definition) another foreign government over pretty much the exact same base rationale (oil!).  The MAGA base has never really allowed a word like "hypocrisy" to stand in the way of a good ass-kicking, and the above quotes from Trump about how this occupation will be different ("we're keeping the oil!") expresses this sentiment perfectly well.  For MAGA, the problem with the forever wars was that there was at least a sheen of compassion for the citizens of the invaded country.  That has not been a problem with the Trump administration here, who have been quite candid about their complete indifference to the citizens of Venezuela.  MAGA understands and appreciates the 'pirate' politics involved, they just don't like the humanitarian responsibilities which follow.  That might be why there has been, uh, ZERO mention of the most conspicuous dysfunctional failed state in the Caribbean, which is inarguably Haiti.  But Haiti doesn't have either oil or coca, so they're free to continue to descend into a furnace of gang violence as far as Trump and his minions are concerned.  So let's not get distracted by this pretext of "gang violence" when they try to justify these military actions.

To further make a mockery of any notion that the Trump administration has the least amount of interest in actually helping the Venezuelan people escape from the tyranny of the previous Maduro regime, they've announced (citing a CIA analysis) that they're intending to largely keep Maduro's people in place for the day-to-day operations of the country, and there's been virtually no attempt at freeing any of the hundreds of political prisoners from Venezuelan prisons.  Again, clearly stated, we really only want the oil.  Stephen Miller made this more clear, when pushed on CNN about the expediency of holding democratic elections anytime soon, explaining: "you’re approaching this from the wrong frame, this neoliberal frame that the United States’s job is to go around the world and and demanding immediate elections to be held everywhere immediately, all the time, right away."  (Btw, "neoliberals", who are not to be confused with actual liberalism, have not been historically concerned with fair elections in South America.)  The fact is that there's no apparent urgency by this administration to do anything that would help the livelihoods of the people of Venezuela in either the short or long term.  It's kinda beside the point.

What I find more frustrating is that for some reason there's still some kind of civil taboo on calling out the fascism of it all.  Some people may even take my mention of "American Anschluss" as unhelpful hyperbole, which I can't help because it's right there for any half-educated person to recognize, but let's say that such hyperbole is, say, uncouth, then can we also, at least, agree that maybe it's not acceptable for a prominent Trump administration official - a primary policy architect in an unconfirmed capacity - when they openly, proudly even, publicly spout the definition of fascism as the administration's central guiding principle?

Stephen Miller wrote:

We live in a world in the real world, Jake, that is governed by strength, that is governed by force, that is governed by power. These are the iron laws of the world since the beginning of time.

Here's a fun fact: a Google search for this quote only brought up posts on social media - Threads, Instagram, Reddit - despite being on CNN video.  CNN doesn't even have a text article with this quote.  Mediaite did run the quote, under an op-ed by Colby Hall yesterday, which has been removed.  When Google's oh-so helpful AI offers a link to Colby Hall explaining why this quote is fascism by definition, the link only goes to Mediaite's general op-ed menu, again where the article cannot be found.

MAGA media loyalists are saying that Miller is simply 'trolling'.  Which, come to think of it, might be worse?  Like, it isn't better that a major administration policy player is trolling with Nazi memes, is it?  And the mainstream media plays along, because surely there couldn't be some connectivity to all of these Nazi sentiments we've seen coming out of the modern Republican party.  At least CBS' Tony Dokoupil is happy about all of it, and Jews can't be Nazis, right?  Stephen?

And now we get a similar round of Republican stooges telling all of us that Trump isn't really serious about taking Greenland by force, and how dare we even suggest such an outrageous scenario, while the White House is saying that, no, in fact, the military option is totally on the table, and Stephen Miller saying the equivalent of "who's going to stop us?"  Maybe someone in these DC news outlets should start asking these prominent Republican politicians, the kind who might have the leverage to stop any such future aggression against our allies and essentially nullifying 80 years of peaceful NATO cooperation, exactly where their red line is supposed to be.

They won't.  But keep it in mind as we continue into this conspiracy of cowardice.


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1/07/2026 4:27 pm  #192


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As a side note to that, in my personal life many people I know have basically thought I was a crazy person when a few months ago I voiced my concerns that if Trump ever moved on his threats to Venezuela, this means Canada is one of the next moves. Maybe they thought his threats on Venezuela were empty, or maybe they thought that sort of thing could only happen to 'those countries', but I'm pleased to report some of those people are starting to warm to my paranoia.

I'm waiting to see what happens with Greenland. If that goes too, by whatever means they pursue, Canada is in serious danger.

Yes I know about NATO. No, I don't expect anyone to help us.

 

1/07/2026 6:21 pm  #193


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crumbsroom wrote:

I'm waiting to see what happens with Greenland. If that goes too, by whatever means they pursue, Canada is in serious danger.

Yes I know about NATO. No, I don't expect anyone to help us.

This is why the Danish prime minister's "warning" to Trump was so toothless, because there's nothing NATO could do to protect itself from an American military action other than dissolving, and Trump has already codified his wish to make NATO irrelevant in his National Security Strategy document last month. even potentially opening the door to allowing Russian dominance of the entire European continent.

One last piece (for today) about Venezuela, this is a good rundown of some of the money-interests, here involvng a hedge fund guy, Paul Singer, major Trump donor and Marco Rubio ally, who stands to make a whole lot of oil-cash in the aftermath.


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1/16/2026 11:20 pm  #194


Re: MAGA's Hangover and America's Walk of Shame

As if crypto wasn't bad enough, we're entering into some fast and loose times with an emerging organized gambling economy, which have been euphemistically branded as "speculation marketplaces".  Some cynical commies might shrug and call this just another organ of international financial capitalism, but that doesn't really reflect the novel potential of degeneracy that we're facing here.  It's one thing to move money around various investment opportunities.  It's quite another level of naked ratfucking to establish "marketplaces" - rackets, essentially - with which to wager unlimited sums on any and every possibly imagined contested scenario.  Think of the rotted elites from Rat Race, the Mandingo-fights from Django....hell, fucking Trading Places.  Action is action to a demented roller.  You have people betting on who's going to die, of which diseases, on which drugs.  You have bets for which people might get #metoo-ed this year.  I bet there's quite a few very powerful people that may have some 'insider-trading' tips on that.  Terminally degenerate gamblers have always had these kinds of backroom books, but it does seem to be a leap into the decadent abyss to not only legalize, normalize but even incentivize this kind of behavior, no?

On the morals of the sheer vice, I suppose I'm generally of the mind that people are free to lose their money any way they see fit.  I've always considered things like the lottery as an idiot-tax.  Sure, see what happens.  Gambling has always preyed a bit on irrational impulses and addiction issues.  I think that what we're seeing is so far beyond the pale, in scale and institutional influence, as to warrant a lot more red lights flashing than we've been seeing.  In terms of this 'institutional influence', we should keep in mind the possibilities of exactly who is the House here?  Obviously the tech oligarchy, as all of these transactions (with profitable fees, no doubt) will be conducted on their devices and networks, and certainly promises some of the less discrete, potentially compromising data to harvest about a great deal of our less-than-noble natures.  As an impulsive and readily addictive activity, it follows along with the same opportunities for perfidious persuasion as social media generally (which has gone swell, btw), only now with the aggrandizing taunt to try and 'game the algorithm' only with real money, rather than merely attention, on the line.  As with both traditional gambling and social media, this usually results in a morbid desperation.

Is it surprising that in these few years since we've seen this mainstreaming of "sports-betting" platforms, which is entirely the model which these more all-inclusive speculation marketplaces are based on, was correlated with a rise in sports scandals involving things like point-shaving, aka the most discrete and common method used by sports players/teams to rig the bets?  I mention that to dismiss any further naivete over the practical implications involved here.  Point shaving is nothing new, but there's little argument that such betting sites make it easier to coordinate, and more tellingly is that previous point shaving scandals were met with far more popular outrage from fans than these more recent ones, a symptom of its normalization.

Of course there will be no shortage of helpful online influencers who will be willing to share with you (if you invest!) all of the secrets to unlock the powerful potential of these markets and game these algorithms.  Why!  Just look at how rich and successful they are!  Because every single one of them is sure to be a completely legitimate professional with your absolute best interests at heart.

Let's be specific for a second.  Just in recent months, we've seen the dominance of two of these speculation marketplaces in particular, Polymarket and Kalshi.  Polymarket includes one Trump son, Jr, on their board while Daddy Trump has greatly deregulated their business, along with crypto-markets overall.  The connection to Trump becomes less arbitrary when it becomes clear that at least some Trump allies - those privileged with classified information from within his administration - are already heavily profitting off of his less predictable actions.  Polymarket has a "media partnership" with the Dow Jones, enabling access to their stock trading information as well as their newspaper the Wall Street Journal, as well as other business news companies like Barrons, MarketWatch, Investor's Business Daily, Yahoo Finance, Google Finance.  Polymarket was co-founded with Peter Thiel (Palantir) money, and they also have a data deal with Elon Musk's X.  It shouldn't be too difficult to fathom just a fraction of the amount of coordinated privileged information which could be used to fuel and rig these online bets.  I hope we're starting understand who the House is here.

Kalshi was more traditionally a speculation market focused on sports betting - much like other popular sites in this post-legalization era such as DraftKings and FanDuel - but has also extended into allowing bets on everything from elections to overseas wars, also including Don Jr in an advisor role, investment ties to much of the same crypto and tech oligarch funding and has recently established their own media partnership with CNN and CNBC.

Note that most of these "media partnerships", certainly the most prominent and mainstream, were made very recently, within the past 6 weeks.  "Prediction markets are rapidly shaping how investors and business leaders think about important events", says the president of CNBC.  Understand that this is not really about gambling any more.  What this is, is using powerful predictive and analytical algorithms, fueled by a whole lot of insider information not generally available to the public, to both discern reliable events in the future and giving those who do have access to this information (these very same tech oligarchs, crypto-investors, media influencers) a very sharp lopsided advantage to cash-in on the same markets that they are creating, moderating and exploiting.  The importance of these connections to valuable news media outlets is key, because it would allow for any of these newsrooms to deliberately shape their coverage of these events in such a way as to provide this advantage.  Speaking theoretically - Trump sets a date to place troops in Greenland; a speculative "bet" on this event appears on one or both of these platforms; all of the business newspapers mentioned above including CNN decide to run a volume of constant coverage portraying Trump's threat as "jest" and touting the total unlikelihood of such an action to occur any time soon; and some very prodigious (anonymous, of course) speculators end up with a whole lot of money once it occurs.  Or you can imagine the opposite of that.  CNN runs a volume of stories on the likelihood of such an action, inflating the bet, only for someone who has shorted the bet to clean up once the predicted date passes uneventfully.  Again, the sheer scale and institutional influence suggested by tying both our financial industry and our news media to what is essentially a rigged roulette wheel is astonishing to attempt to comprehend.  The House will surely win, as they pimp the prospects of promised fotune to squeeze away the remaining dollars from the rest of us - the suckers.


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1/17/2026 4:54 pm  #195


Re: MAGA's Hangover and America's Walk of Shame

Great minds they say.

This morning The Atlantic published a good piece by Saahil Desai which mirrors a lot of my concerns on these speculation markets, perhaps signaling that mainstream outltes are starting to pay more attention.  I'll excerpt some of the relevant passages:

In the video, Harry Enten, [CNN]’s chief data analyst, stares into the camera and breathlessly tells his audience about the gambling odds that Donald Trump will buy any of Greenland. “The people who are putting their money where their mouth is - they are absolutely taking this seriously,” Enten says. He taps the giant touch screen behind him and pulls up a made-for-TV graphic: Based on how people were betting online at the time, there was a 36 percent chance that the president would annex Greenland. “Whoa, way up there!” Enten yells, slapping his hands together.

(Harry Enten is the same CNN data analyst who stated with some certainty a couple of months back that the American people didn't care about the Epstein case anymore.)

These odds were pulled from Kalshi, which hilariously claims not to be a gambling platform: It’s a "prediction market"....

Prediction markets let you wager on basically anything. Will Elon Musk father another baby by June 30? Will Jesus return this year? Will Israel strike Gaza tomorrow? ....These sites have recently boomed in popularity - particularly among terminally online young men who trade meme stocks and siphon from their 401(k)s to buy up bitcoin. But now prediction markets are creeping into the mainstream. CNN announced a deal with Kalshi last month to integrate the site’s data into its broadcasts, which has led to betting odds showing up in segments about Democrats possibly retaking the House, credit-card interest rates, and Federal Reserve Chair Jerome Powell. At least twice in the past two weeks, Enten has told viewers about the value of data from people who are "putting their money where their mouth is."

Nolly Evans, the [Wall Street Journal]’s digital general manager, told me that Polymarket provides the newspaper’s journalists with "another way to quantify collective expectations - especially around financial or geopolitical events." In an email, Jack Suh, a Kalshi spokesperson, told me that the company’s partnerships are designed to inform the public, not to encourage more trading....

The more that prediction markets are treated like news, especially heading into another election, the more every dip and swing in the odds may end up wildly misleading people about what might happen, or influencing what happens in the real world. Yet it’s unclear whether these sites are meaningful predictors of anything....

These markets are also manipulable. In 2012, one bettor on the now-defunct prediction market Intrade placed a series of huge wagers on Mitt Romney in the two weeks preceding the election, generating a betting line indicative of a tight race. The bettor did not seem motivated by financial gain, according to two researchers who examined the trades. "More plausibly, this trader could have been attempting to manipulate beliefs about the odds of victory in an attempt to boost fundraising, campaign morale, and turnout," they wrote. The trader lost at least $4 million but might have shaped media attention of the race for less than the price of a prime-time ad, they concluded.

A billionaire congressional candidate can’t just send a check to Quinnipiac University and suddenly find himself as the polling front-runner, but he can place enormous Polymarket bets on himself that move the odds in his favor. Or consider this hypothetical laid out by the Stanford political scientist Andrew Hall: What if, a month before the 2028 presidential election, the race is dead even between J. D. Vance and Mark Cuban? Inexplicably, Vance’s odds of winning surge on Kalshi, possibly linked to shady overseas bets. CNN airs segment after segment about the spike, turning it into an all-consuming national news story. Democrats and Republicans point fingers at each other, and no one knows what’s really going on. Such a scenario is "plausible - maybe even likely - in the coming years," Hall writes. It doesn’t help that the Trump Media and Technology Group, the owner of the president’s social-media platform, Truth Social, is set to launch its own platform, Truth Predict. (Donald Trump Jr. is an adviser to both Kalshi and Polymarket.)

Unintentionally or not, this is what happens when media outlets normalize treating every piece of news and entertainment as something to wager on. As Tarek Mansour, Kalshi’s CEO, has said, his long-term goal is to "financialize everything and create a tradable asset out of any difference in opinion." (Kalshi means "everything" in Arabic.) What could go wrong? As one viral post on X recently put it, "Got a buddy who is praying for world war 3 so he can win $390 on Polymarket." It’s a joke. I think.


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1/17/2026 5:37 pm  #196


Re: MAGA's Hangover and America's Walk of Shame

Some other stray thoughts on the recent news....

Believe it or not, the Supreme Court has still yet to make a consequential ruling on Trump's tariff policy.  There was some expectation they would this week, but alas.  It's a nervous situation for those watching.  By any objective rationale, the law is clearly against Trump.  The Constitution clearly gives Congress the sole authority over levying taxes (which is what "tariffs" are, basically taxes on foreign imports), and only has rare exceptions for instances where, say for example, Congress would be unable to effectively respond to certain emergencies - iike war or something.  Trump has claimed these emergency powers without explicitly explaining what the emergency is supposed to be, and even his tepid attempts at excuses - like an immigration "invasion" - fall apart as soon as it's clear that his tariffs are targeting countries with negligible rates of immigration.  By targeting virtually every country on Earth (except Russia!), the perception is that the US is under some emergency siege from the entire globe, and, as Trump likes to claim, effectively has been since WWII.  This is not a sane defense for the Supreme Court to consider.  Normally.

Obviously, Trump is not a normal president.  Even though the legal precedent is hardly in any serious dispute here, instead what we (Americans) have to depend on is to what extent the Republican members of SCOTUS are no longer willing to pretend to have any legal integrity whatsoever, a value which this court has already been slowly evading for some time now but especially in this decade, and most especially since the perhaps-terminal decision from 2024 giving the president immunity in office.  Pema Levy has described the inevitability of this path: 

The idea that the justices could empower Trump but also contain that power is a folly we see repeated throughout history. It is the hubris of a group of people who think they can control a would-be authoritarian; that he will be useful to their purposes without ever turning on them. If you give someone like Trump every power but one, he will find a way to take the last one too.

Even the very recent stark and literal example of the farce of Trump's claims of "emergency powers" to justify his seizure of tariff authority should suffice to end any debate: Trump's decision to slap additional tariffs on Denmark and other EU nations for having the temerity to oppose his wish to annex Greenland.  Even the most generous interpretation of what Trump deems an "emergency" in this situation is based on an easily observed falsehood.

Instead, the Republican SCOTUS justices are not going to be weighing the law at all.  They are going to be weighing the politics of rebuffing their president, of whether they wish to endure the wrath of this inveterately vindicative tyrant, of whether they are prepared for the possibility of inconveniently dooming both Trump's second term and the Republican party's midterms due to the resulting economic consequences from having virtually the entire globe demanding their due restitution for the hundreds of billions in illegitimate tariffs that they've already paid.  It could potentially nullify all of those "beautiful deals" which Trump coerced from these countries for their tariff agreements, causing a chain-reaction of unpredictable damage to American markets and bonds.

But I'm not going to allow these admittedly dire ecomonic consequences triggered by Trump's ill-founded tariff decisions to sway me from wanting to see the Constitution and the rule of law win the day.  This is the bed that Trump made, and to an extent his Republican enablers as well.  Their political fortunes are not my problem.  And, no, I'm not just motivated by a "get Trump at any cost" hate either.  The precedent which this would set is far more important than any single president or any moment in American history.  It would be a shame if we had to do something drastic, like maybe do some asset forclosure on Mar-a-Lago, to help pay for the damage caused by this fraud upon which Trump chose to build the foundation of his entire economic policy.


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1/21/2026 6:47 am  #197


Re: MAGA's Hangover and America's Walk of Shame

I know there is a lot of embarrassing details to unpack in Trump's text to the president of Norway, but why has no one to my knowledge pointed out an important little tell he has hidden in it. 

Considering your Country decided not to give me the Nobel Peace Prize for having stopped 8 Wars PLUS, I no longer feel an obligation to think purely of Peace, although it will always be predominant, but can now think about what is good and proper for the United States of America.

So....if he had gotten a prize, he wouldn't be doing what is best for the United States of America? Is this the steep price one has to pay for him to abandon his America first principles? 



 

 

1/21/2026 4:47 pm  #198


Re: MAGA's Hangover and America's Walk of Shame

crumbsroom wrote:

I know there is a lot of embarrassing details to unpack in Trump's text to the president of Norway, but why has no one to my knowledge pointed out an important little tell he has hidden in it. 

Considering your Country decided not to give me the Nobel Peace Prize for having stopped 8 Wars PLUS, I no longer feel an obligation to think purely of Peace, although it will always be predominant, but can now think about what is good and proper for the United States of America.

So....if he had gotten a prize, he wouldn't be doing what is best for the United States of America? Is this the steep price one has to pay for him to abandon his America first principles?

I sure wish Trump would stop doing "what's good and proper", in his own creviced mind,  for the USA, because it hasn't been working out for most Americans.  But this is a further instance of Trump's autocratic tendency to conflate his own personal interests with the best interests for the country at large.

(In terms of more minor embarrassing details in those texts, maybe my favorite was Trump's claim that we had been "subsudizing" Denmark with NATO protection "for centuries".)

Myself, I don't mind forcusing on the more unhinged ultimatum in the above quote essentially saying that Trump believes he has a just right to retaliate for not winning the Nobel Peace Prize, and quite openly admitting that he's using these new tariffs as a kind of ransom threat to land-jack Greenland.  That in itself is not insignificant.  And everyone is talking like a gangster - "We'll work it out, everyone will be happy....but but we're going to get it."  Trump is saying the same thing today, "I don’t have to use force. I don’t want to use force. I won’t use force. All the United States is asking for is a place called Greenland."  That's all, folks.  Whay don't you just be reasonable?  You don't want trouble, do you?  We don't trouble, we just want your land.  We could just take it, we don't want to, you don't want us to, but you know we can, so let's just sit back, take a breath, and maybe learn to enjoy the new world order.

(Things have been moving fast this week.  At Davos, Trump appears to have come up with some kind of "framework" with the NATO chief, Mark Rutte - who has largely been far more concilliatory to Trump than other EU leaders, maybe because he understands how close Trump is to making his position totally irrelevant - but details are sketchy.  The fact that Trump seems happy is not a great sign.  The good news, for Europe at least, is that it suspends the proposed tariffs although these should be heavily contested anyway, since as Macron accurately describes, they're being "used as leverage against territorial sovereignty", a clear violation of WTO rules, as well as a breach of last year's EU tariff deal with Trump.  One detail of this Greenland framework stands out: "Additional discussions are being held concerning The Golden Dome as it pertains to Greenland."  So it appears that Trump is hoping to place missiles in Greenland.  And they wouldn't even give this guy a Nobel Peace Prize?)

Let me go back to a statement from last week by Stephen Miller, which, again, highlights and defines the essentially fascistic philosophy under which this administtration is operating, and, if the mainstream American news had the balls, would be necessary context to emphasize to clarify exactly what's happening here: "To control a territory, you have to be able to defend a territory."  This is the kind of "might makes right" (Jon Stewart has been using the parallel phrase "big fucks small" lately) where another way of saying this would be to assert that if a country has the power to take your land, then that country has a natural right to own it.  Because if you can't defend it from a more powerful country, you have no right to it.  Never mind that, in the entire post-war period, especially after America and Denmark established our military cooperation agreement in 1951, there has been no problems whatsoever in the defense of Greenland.  But Miller, like Trump and the other "post-liberal" cronies, repeat the dogma that all of this time, for some dog-gummed reason, America has not benefited at all from this mutual defence policy with Europe.

This is also especially significant for you Canadians, because, without the US and our cooperative military efforts, could you be able to defend your Arctic northern coastline from Russia?  Trump and Miller are describing a new (way too literal) cold war for Arctic dominance.  And Trump is intoxicated with the prospect of being the greatest expansionist US president since Andrew Jackson.  Or "of all time" as he will put it.

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Not content ot just trash NATO as a demolition of the post-war global order, Trump has also been looking to cuck the United Nations with this new-fangled Board of Peace.  This Board is ostensibly supposed to be for the purpose of administering the reconstruction of Gaza, but Trump is already proposing its permanent status, long after the Gaza operation (assuming it's successful) would necessitate, so what types of duties would be required in the long-term is - like most of Trump's aspirations - yet undefined.  The short-term aspiration is a lot more clear, as Trump is asking for one billion dollars up front from any country who wants a seat.  (Straight up Dr. Evil shit.)  Israel, who today jumped aboard, made the UN diss explicit by bulldozing UN property in Jerusalem.

Trump, of course, made himself sole chairman of this Board....for life....long after his presidency is (presumably) retired.  As virtual King, Trump reserves the right to veto any and all decisions from the Board members.  This is not about "Peace" but about "Power", rather "Peace under ME!!!"  Maybe the trains will run on time too.  And the ultimate insult is to invite Vlad Putin to the party, as the most prominent world leader to have started an unprovoked major war in recent years, a man so devoted to Peace that he celebrated his invitation by launching an assault which knocked out several Ukranian cities' electrcity and heating during the year's worst cold spell.  (As for Zelensky?  Don't worry.  Trump still blames him for everything.)

I believe it would require some 17 Republican Senators to impeach Trump.  Let's get them on the record with a simple question: would nullification of NATO, either though withdrawl or dismissal or attack on a partner, warrant impeachment?  No ifs ands or buts.  Yes or no question.  At the very least it could establish a red line which might discourage Trump from trying to cross.  Europe needs America's (not Trump's) unambiguous support right now.


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1/24/2026 9:59 pm  #199


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That slow train of justice is coming along a little bit....

Last march, Marco Rubio had claimed complete discretion to revoke student visas, mostly effecting non-citizens' green card statuses, based on what he solely perceived as the national security threat posed by certain pro-Palestinian protesters giving "material support" to terrorist organizations (like Hamas, presumably).  Such singular authority under one man (who is already juggling several different cabinet titles) was always a dubious premise, but we have now finally received judicial insight which thoroughly debunks it.  This ruling, from District Judge William Young last year, has been under seal, but this week, in response to a petition from a coalition of journalist groups, Young decided to unseal both his ruling - which excoriates Rubio and pretty much the entire administration - and also a tranche of documents showing the nebulous bluff of the government's efforts to cast aspersions on such high profile protest voices (Mahmoud Khalil, Rumeysa Ozturk) which the Trump administration had attempted to deport.

The rationale for Judge Young's ruling is quite simple: none of these students targeted had any evidence of criminal activity against them.  The decision to alter their visa status was uniformly based solely on the students' 1st Amendment protected speech.  (Longstanding constitutional principle has held that the Bill of Rights applies to all people, citizens and non-citizens alike.)  Judge Young notes that speech alone cannot amount to "material support" and is not sufficient to initiate visa revocation.  It's worth quoting from Judge Young's ruling in detail:

This Court finds as fact and concludes as matter of law that Secretaries Noem and Rubio and their several agents and subordinates acted in concert to misuse the sweeping powers of their respective offices to target non-citizen pro-Palestinians for deportation primarily on account of their First Amendment protected political speech . They did so in order to strike fear into similarly situated non-citizen pro-Palestinian individuals, pro-actively (and effectively) curbing lawful pro-Palestinian speech and intentionally denying such indivictuals ( including the plaintiffs here) the freedom of speech that is their right.  Moreover, the effect of these targeted deportation proceedings continues unconstitutionally to chill freedom of speech to this day.

The big problem in this case is that the Cabinet secretaries, and ostensibly, the president of the United States, are not honoring the First Amendment.  There doesn’t seem to be an understanding of what the First Amendment is by this government.

There was no policy here.  What happened here is an unconstitutional conspiracy to pick off certain people....If ever you want chapter and verse about how the government can be weaponized against a disfavored group, that’s the record of it.

I find it breathtaking that I have been compelled on the evidence to find the conduct of such high-level officers of our government - cabinet secretaries - conspired to infringe the First Amendment rights of people with such rights here in the United States.  These cabinet secretaries have failed in their sworn duty to uphold the Constitution.

I’ve asked myself why - how did this happen? How could our own government, the highest officials in our government, seek to infringe the rights of people lawfully here in the United States? And I’ve come to believe that there’s a concept of freedom here that I don’t understand.  The record in this case convinces me that these high officials, and I include the president of the United States, have a fearful view of freedom.

Also in Judge Young's original ruling from last year, he had posed a question:

I fear President Trump believes the American people are so divided that today they will not stand up, fight for, and defend our most precious Constitutional values so long as they are lulled into thinking their own personal interests are not affected. Is he correct?

Judge William Young is a Reagan-appointee, from an era when conservatives still valued principled integrity.

The State Department has responded with a weak-ass "A visa is a right, not a privilege", but I don't see any MAGA folks calling for the judge's impeachment yet, so that may be a good thing, for now.

Dipping into the tranche of documents, internal memos mostly showing the vapidity of the cases they were trying to bring against Khalil and Ozturk, we see things like open aknowledgements from government officials that they didn't have a leg to stand on: "Given the potential that a court may consider his actions inextricably tied to speech protected under the First Amendment, it is likely that courts will scrutinize the basis for this determination."  "D.H.S. has not identified any alternative grounds for removability, including the ground of removability for aliens who have provided material support for a foreign terrorist organization or terrorist activity."  

In the case of Ms. Ozturk, a Tufts University postdoctoral student, officials wrote that there was no evidence she had “engaged in any antisemitic activity” or made “any public statements indicating support for a terrorist organization or antisemitism generally.” Nevertheless, they recommended that her visa be revoked based on “the totality of the circumstances presented.”

Peter Hatch, an official tasked with overseeing the effort, testified during the trial last summer that the team had rushed a review of more than 5,000 students linked to pro-Palestinian demonstrations, sending their findings to Mr. Rubio’s staff for review. According to his testimony, the team’s work was also informed by reviewing lists of names compiled by at least two websites — the Canary Mission and Betar US — which identify and publish the personal information of pro-Palestinian protesters.

Judge Young has opened the path for these students targeted for their 1st Amendment protected speech to sue the government, while stongly asserting that Marco Rubio, in fact, does not have the discretionary authority to alter anyone's visa status without due process.  And some other potential good news, even though Rubio had bragged last year of having revoked some 700 student visas, the actual number cited in this case appears to be five.  5 not 500.


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1/24/2026 11:51 pm  #200


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The penguin does not concern himself with the opinions of those who cannot comprehend.

Look at this cobblepot bullshit.  This is an official White House message, a tweet but nonetheless.  It gets crazier.  This is a response to the White House's earlier attempt to try to make meme happen with an AI image of Trump walking with a penguin in Greenland.  "Embrace the Penguin".  It references a scene from a Werner Herzog doc, Encounters at the End of the World, as per Wiki: 

At the end of the documentary Herzog captures a lone penguin that stops following its colony. Instead of heading to the sea to feed or returning to its group, the penguin turns and begins waddling toward the vast, mountainous interior of the continent facing certain death. The scene has become a widespread internet meme, used to symbolize feelings of isolation, hopelessness, or the absurdity of existence.

There are no penguins in Greenland.  That's literally the other side of the world.  That's batshit enough, but what are we talking about here?

I may even be more disturbed at this pretense of calm which everyone seems to be adopting in the wake of Trump's totally unhinged ranting over Greenland this week.  Are we supposed to be relieved just because Trump has seemingly agreed to stop the more explicit threats against Denmark and NATO, and stick just to his constant implicit suggestions of eventual conquest?  He may have walked back his tariff-stick but he still seems to be insisting on the inevitability of - I quote - "COMPLETE and TOTAL CONTROL" of Greenland.  Or maybe Iceland, we'll see.  I want to be perfectly clear that none of this behavior is reassuring and I do not share the sighs of relief which have swelled across our news media since this, what?, framework, concept, ballroom of Arctic security?  Maybe it should be enough to simply weigh the damage of all of this embarrassment at Davos, which it most certainly was for US with Trump as our lucky public face.  What exactly did we accomplish there?  Like a cherry on top, Trump even threw the NATO veterans under the bus.

I want to highlight one of Trump's posts from last weekend which didn't get as much virality, but still illustrates the dilemma: "These Countries, who are playing this very dangerous game, have put a level of risk in play that is not tenable or sustainable.  Therefore, it is imperative that, in order to protect Global Peace and Security, strong measures must be taken so that this potentially perilous situation end quickly, and without question."  This is some frightening psychology for someone with nukes.  Note that he thinks Europe is the one responsible for "this very dangerous game" and putting this "level of risk in play".  How have they done this?  By refusing to entertain Trump's overtures to take Greenland.  This is Predator Talk 101.  It's your fault for resisting.  (This also happens to be the same logic used by Putin to blame his war on Ukraine.)  The "without question" just speaks for itself.

Now, without much information to go on, I'm assuming that NATO head Mark Rutte was able to placate the sleepy buddy by reasserting all of the very many ways in which the American military is privileged to take advantage of Greenland's situation within existing security and industrial agreements which have been the hallmark of our NATO cooperation this whole time.  Maybe Rutte was savvy enough to bring up these existing privileges as if they were brand new ideas to help lull Trump into a false sense of shrewdness.  That's all good for now, but it doesn't address the real problem.  None of this has ever been about security or resources.  Trump's raw aggression that we saw this week is about his legacy.  He'll rename the island 'Trumpland' given the opportunity.  This whole pagaent has been about one thing for Trump: "COMPLETE and TOTAL CONTROL".  Nothing that happend at Davos has even begun to cork that levee.


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A lot of people don't realize what's really going on. They view life as a bunch of unconnected incidents and things. They don't realize that there's this lattice of coincidence that lays on top of everything. Give you an example; show you what I mean: suppose you're thinking about a plate of shrimp. Suddenly someone'll say, like, plate, or shrimp, or plate o' shrimp out of the blue, no explanation. No point in looking for one, either. It's all part of a cosmic unconciousness.

Everybody's into weirdness right here.