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10/03/2024 11:46 pm  #281


Re: The Fuck Happened?

I briefly caught some of the post debate discussion (I forget which network), and one of the commentators was singling out Walz's 2020 election question saying that (paraphrasing) "democracy was becoming a key issue for voters." Sounds pretty bleak when they put it like that!


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10/03/2024 11:54 pm  #282


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I hate to be such a "stan" as they say.  I don't want to get in the habit of just reposting all the stuff.  Where we are currently in this nexus of media, whether it's broadcast or streaming, this is pretty close to what I would consider ideal entertainment and stimulation.  And it's mo' meta in that it happens to be a discussion around the design and state of media - as entertainment, engagement, journalism, technology.  Big idea content from interesting individuals.  Other than the fact that I don't really like what's commonly become the 'podcast aesthetic' - the cans and the mics and the flat intimacy - I think that this is what real substantive television should be.  Or let's reclaim the term "television" to refer to a new kind of A/V content with discussion worth broadcasting.  Are you not contented!?!?  Even accidentally, last week on Bill Maher, why can't we just have Fran Lebowitz, Ian Bremmer and Yuval Noah Harari speak together for an hour without Bill Maher?  Why can't anyone figure this out? 




 


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10/05/2024 11:48 pm  #283


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Yuval Noah Harari, in an Atlantic interview, offers some more sensible takes on Palestinian history and Zionism than what we've seen from recent "setller-colonial" narratives.

Israel is at a crossroads. I don’t think its existence is at stake. I do think its identity is at stake. The soul of the country is now the battleground, and the outcome will decide not just the shape of Israel for many, many years to come, but also the shape of Judaism. I think that Judaism is at an intersection. Maybe we haven’t been in such a place for 2,000 years, since the end of the Second Temple era...

The Second Temple era ended after the Zealots took over with messianic visions and almost destroyed the Jewish people, almost destroyed the Jewish religion, which had to then reinvent itself. And we’ve come full circle. Judaism as we know it was born from the ashes of the Temple of Jerusalem in the failed rebellion against the Romans that the Zealots instigated....

What do Jews do for the next 2,000 years? They learn—they sit in Yavne and they learn. They go to Egypt; they learn. They go to Brooklyn; they learn. And eventually the circle is almost closed. They come back. They come back to Jerusalem. And the Zealots have now taken over Jerusalem again. And the question that keeps bothering me: What did Jews learn in those 2,000 years?

Why did it take 2,000 years of learning in yeshivas to go back to that same moment and basically adopt the values of the Roman legion? Because if I think about what the values are of people like Itamar Ben Gvir, Bezalel Smotrich, Netanyahu—it’s the values of the Roman legion.

I would say that the other side is Zionist, and it’s important to emphasize and reclaim this word, which has been vilified, not just now, but for decades. When I hear people compare Zionism with racism, this itself is a racist statement, because Zionism is simply the national movement of the Jewish people. And if you think that Zionism is racist and is abhorrent, you’re basically saying that Jews don’t deserve to have national feelings. Turks can have national feelings, and Germans can have national feelings, but when Jews have national feelings, this is racism. Zionism basically says three simple things that should be uncontroversial. It says that the Jews are a nation, not just isolated individuals. There is a Jewish people. The second thing Zionism says is that, like all other peoples, the Jewish people also have a right to self-determination, like the Palestinians, like the Turks, like the Poles. And the third thing it says is the Jews have a deep historical, cultural, spiritual connection to the land between the Jordan River and the Mediterranean, which is a historical fact....

What the political conclusion is from these three facts, that’s up for grabs. And throughout Zionist history, for the past 150 years, people had different ideas. Some ideas were definitely racist and very violent. Some Zionists have denied the existence of a Palestinian people and the right to self-determination of Palestinians. But this is not a logical conclusion from the premises of Zionism. You can acknowledge that there is a Jewish people. It has a right to self-determination. It has a historical connection to the country. And at the same time, there is a Palestinian people. It also has a right to self-determination, and it also has deep historical, spiritual, cultural connection to the land between the Mediterranean and the Jordan River. And now the political question is, what do you do with these two facts? And there are potential solutions, a two-state solution, which you can argue, where exactly will the border pass and what will be the rights of Palestinians who remain in Israeli territory? And we can discuss all that. But basically, Zionism doesn’t deny the existence and rights of Palestinian people.

I'm tempted to paste the entire interview here, but the entire piece is worth reading.  I'll add two short extra points:

To some extent, every peace needs justice and every justice needs peace. But they are different ways of looking at reality, at history. Every peace deal in history required giving up some justice. You can’t have absolute justice. Peace is more objective. You can see, are people being killed or not? But people have very, very different concepts of what justice means to them. So if you try to gain absolute justice, you will never have peace.

And they say, Okay, the Israelis are the white Europeans who came to colonize the indigenous Palestinians. And there are some kernels of truth in this, but it’s a wrong model. I mean, it denies the fact that there was continuous Jewish presence on the land, going back 3,000 years. For 2,000 years, Jews were one of the chief victims of European civilization, and suddenly now they become the Europeans? This also ignores the fact that more than 50 percent of Israeli Jews are not European. They are descendants of Middle Eastern Jews from Egypt, from Yemen, from Iraq, who were brutally expelled from their ancestral homes after 1948 by Arab governments in revenge for the 1948 war.

 


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10/06/2024 5:41 pm  #284


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Since religion is still considered the third-rail of American politics, a polite convention from more civil times, there still appears to be no one in TV news media willing to breach the facts on the ground, which are that the Trump/Vance campaign is the most religiously-infused campaign in, at least, modern American history.  Even Reagan and W. Bush, both so associated with evangelical courtship and support, never seemed to have entire Travelling Tent Revivals dedicated to their voter turnout.  (It definitely should raise some tax issues, either way.)  Trump/Vance has had three such revival tours, touting explicitly religious language and practices married with explicit political rhetoric.

Michael Flynn's "ReAwaken America" was the first, and they are currently also touring prints of their new documentary to local theaters in swing states.  Consider the language: "We're under warefare"; "take a bullet for my nation"; identifying as an "Army of God"; "Jesus is my savior, Trump is my president"; talk of Democrats as "demonic", "baby-butchering mongrels"; talk of vaccines as "a deadly genocide"; Satanic pedophiles; Elders of Zion.  These events include typical evangelical revivalist activities as "speaking in tongues", "casting out of demons", "laying on of hands", as well as tons of expensive merch (again, maybe someone should look into the taxes).   And lest we forget, Michael Flynn is a man that Trump has already promised to include in his future administration while personally endorsing these rallies.

We also have Tucker Carlson currently on tour with his own revival event, including more talk of "demonic" Democrats and including open prayers from the likes of Jordan Peterson and Russell Brand.  These events also have the stamp of approval from Trump's campaign, in the form of participants JD Vance and Tulsi Gabbard, the latter whom has also been promised a role in the upcoming Trump administration.  Alex Jones is there, still evading having to pay billions to the Sandy Hook parents he accused of being actors, and proceeds to accuse Kamala Harris of being an underage sex operative who as DA would facilitate the organ harvesting of babies' "still-beating hearts".  Jones would end by giving Carlson a rosary as a gift.  (Vance has also praised Alex Jones as a truth-teller.) 

And then, another Vance ally, Jack Posobiec appears to say "We have to protect Diddy", suggesting he's next on the deep-state assassination agenda.  For those who aren't aware, Posobiec is a pusher of Pizzagate/Qanon conspiracies, accused Dems of producing "ritual Satanic porn", has numerous ties to neo-Nazi groups and white supremacists, pushes the "great replacement theory", and has a history of pushing pro-Putin propaganda such as the Seth Rich conspiracy and the Ukrainian bioweapons lab theory.  After Trump's hush money conviction, Posobiec declared of Trump's critics that "we are going to make them the prey".  Posobiec has written a new book called Unhuman (it isn't dehumanizing, it's unhumanizing!), which continues the demonization of Democrats:  "The unhumans want you dead", "they are opposed to humanity itself", they are "people of anti-civilization", "With power, unhumans undo civilization itself,” Posobiec and Lisec write. “They undo order. They undo the basic bonds of society that make communities and nations possible. They destroy the human rights of life, liberty, and property—and undo their own humanity in the process by fully embracing nihilism, cynicism, and envy", "They just want an excuse to destroy everything. They want an excuse to destroy you", "unhumans seek the death of the successful and the desecration of the beautiful", "They simply hate those who are good-looking and successful".  And if it wasn't clear enough that Posobiec, like Vance, is a "post-liberal Catholic", then his stated derision of liberal democracy should helpfully explain: "Democracy has never worked to protect innocents from the unhumans", "We do not believe in government through the voting booth".  Still confused?  The book also lists fascists Francisco Franco and Augusto Pinochet as "great men of history" and models for how to combat these hordes of "unhumans". 

Despite all of that, Vance decided to grace this book with his seal-of-approval in a blurb which condemns these woke Dems as "they march through HR [Human Resources], college campuses, and courtrooms to wage lawfare against good, honest people" and how Posobiec "reveals their plans and show us what to do to fight back".  (Note that this blurb was publicly available before last week's debate, meaning that none of those assholes talking about what a normal human being Vance looked like have any excuse not to have mentioned this crucial context over exactly what his candidacy stands for.)  Maybe it isn't so odd when one considers that Vance's primary sugar daddy, Peter Thiel (the guy who gave Vance his first venture capital job, and has currently been a major fundraiser for the ticket), has also said, publicly even, that liberalism and democracy are "exhausted" (citing a Nazi political theorist), and going further in saying "I no longer believe that freedom and democracy are compatible".  Is it any wonder that Thiel's PayPal partner-in-crime, Elon Musk, has co-signed so many of the above sentiments as being "the actual truth"?

Also endorsing are the typical Trump associates.  Steve Bannon wrote the book's forward.  Don Jr. wrote that the book "teaches us how to save the West".  Michael Flynn says it "exposes their battle plans and offers a fifth-generation warfare system to fight back and win".  Tucker Carlson: "Jack Posobiec sees the big picture and isn’t afraid to describe it."  Posobiec has appeared and has connections with all three of the travelling tent revivals that I'm mentioning here.

But finally, getting to the third of these current tent revival rallies for Trump/Vance, the "Courage Tour", which is run by Lance Wallnau, a Vance ally who I mentioned in a previous post, and we see, if anything, even more ramped up language:

"We are going to prepare for war.  I’m not on the Earth to be blessed; I’m on the Earth to be armed and dangerous."

"God's army" with "God-anointed warriors".

Every day, internet prophets are describing dreams of churches under attack, Christians rising up, and the start of World War III, acclimating followers to the prospect of real-world violence.

They could sign up for something called the Lion of Judah, which aims to place Christians inside election offices, a strategy that the group’s founder would refer to on day two as “our Trojan horse.”

For the moment, though, he described a battle scene from the film Gladiator, one that takes place in an arena in ancient Rome, where a group of enslaved warriors comes under attack. The film’s hero, Maximus, rallies them to join forces, at which point they decapitate, bludgeon, and otherwise defeat their enemies in a bloody fashion. Wallnau wasn’t merely entertaining the crowd, but also suggesting how real-life events might play out.

"You either have God, or you’ve got government."

“In other words,” Federer told them, “don’t be afraid of the world ending. Be afraid of the people that promise to save you from the world ending.” He clicked to the last slide, a cartoon of a golden-walled Kingdom in the clouds. “Someday, you’re going to be dead,” he said, telling people to imagine heaven. Gold streets. Mansions.

But where are the virgins?

He told them that Christians had been too timid, too “gentle” and “loving.”  “Here is what God is saying,” he said. “It is time to go after the villains. It is time to chase the wicked. The time has come for justice, and justice demands restitution.” People cheered. “It’s time to move into offense,” he said.

“How many of you would like to see Jesus face-to-face? Then you have to go into the fire, my friends. He always comes to the fire. He is the fire. He is in the fire. And in the fire, he sets you free."

“We’re going to have to go to extremes,” a 63-year-old Wisconsin man named Will Anderson said. He’d driven two hours to hear all of this. He said he was bracing for some kind of “clash” in November. He said it was possible that people like him would have to take “steps and measures,” but he was not sure what they might be. “I’m not into passivity, and neither is God,” he said.

“Our enemy is actively taking ground and will do everything they can to win by any means necessary,” he said. “Our hour of action has arrived.” He added that he meant not only November but “what’s coming after that.” He did not elaborate on what that might be.  “The Lord is with you, valiant warrior,” Standifer said at one point. “Everyone say ‘Warrior.’”  “Warrior,” the crowd repeated.

If there was any confusion about what the past four days had been about, Murillo himself now clarified. It was about November. It was not just about defeating Kamala Harris, but about defeating the advance of Satan.  “I don’t want a devil in the White House,” Murillo said.  “God is saying to the Church, ‘Will you wake up and realize that I’m giving you the authority to stop this thing?’” he said. “You have the authority.”  He said that the Secret Service had deliberately failed to protect the former president from an assassination attempt in July. “They wanted him dead.”  He said, “It is the job of every shepherd to get up in his pulpit … and say to the people, ‘We are going to prepare for war.’”  He said, “I didn’t pick a fight; they picked the fight,” he said.

"You’re not going to stand there and say, ‘It’s in God’s hands.’ No. Right now, brother, it’s in my hands. And my hands are going to come on you real strong right now. I’ll stop you any way I can. And we gotta stop the insanity going on in the United States.”

Well, I've written enough, so I'll just leave this last lengthy piece on this New Apostolic Reformation movement here for your perusal.  The subtitle calls the movement the "greatest threat to US democracy you've never heard of".  That's because most of our commercial news media is too chicken-shit to talk about it.  But JD Vance?  Isn't he haandsome!!!


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10/09/2024 6:59 pm  #285


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Again, trying to equalize the guffaws and misstatements of the Harris/Walz team (which, obviously, is an imperative responsiblity of the press to note) with the Trump/Vance team's pure falsehoods is only a losing battle for one side, the side which lies less.  Epistemically, it's not an even playing field.

So the mainstream media may not be willing to do the prudent thing and say out loud that lying about a natural disaster should, under normal circumstances, be completely disqualifying.  It's not just that these lies put actual people's lives at risk, but put those reporting the facts at risk.  God forbid we fact check these things, as supposed "truth vigilantes", but maybe "objectivity" doesn't mean ignoring these lies.

And God forbid voters start to think that maybe the partisan side which is most prolific in spreading lies might be the less honorable and less eligible ticket to run the country.  As I've said before, the mission is not to convince Trump supporters of the facts.  They don't care.  And the biggest threat to democracy is a populace which does not care about reality.  "They" control the weather?  Proof?  Bah!  It feels right.  And any attempt to fact-check is proof of an elitist cover-up.  Again, isn't it weird how only one party is so opposed to fact-checking?  Like it's an existential threat to their bullshit?  We still see right-wing folks complaining that the ABC moderators dared to fact-check Vance's claims about the Haitians, shutting his mic off, as if there was a valid argument to be had on Vance's behalf.  Objectivity is not a synonym for 'deference'.  Vance's claims, just like both of Vance and Trump's claims regarding the hurricane relief, are objectively incorrect.  And what should be relevant to voters is whether or not this error is intentional disinformation.  Credulity becomes a dishonest mask at some point.
 


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10/10/2024 8:34 pm  #286


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Still seeing lots of news stories analyzing the election implications of the recent hurricanes on the candidates, with the media largely saying it will negatively impact Kamala Harris.  Why?  Because it doesn't matter whether or not all of the easily disproved bullshit being spewed by Trump and Vance, aided and amplified by Elon Musk, is actually true or false, but only that people perceive weakness and incompetence in the current administration, much less alleged corruption.  It's a weird way for mainstream media to admit their own surrender from doing their civic obligation of correcting these falsehoods.  If, as supposed, these falsehoods are so overwhelming as to effect an election, then this might be a failure of the media, which continues to "both sides" such controversies, giving the bad faith side a disproportionate amount of credence.  I can slightly sympathize with the frustration over Trump and his followers' stubbornly fictitious adherence.  If only there was an adequete adjective for such willful and malign dishonesty?  Like it's almost....despicable?  Close?  But alas, the wisdom remains that these poor ignorant Trump supporters are to never be told they're wrong (much less liars), while the Trump campaign continues to bully the media into accepting their proposal that fact-checking amounts to election interference.

There's been so much insanity lately that it's difficult for a humble thread such as this to keep up.  The HAARP shit is only the tip of the recent iceberg.  The whole "weather-modification" thing is one of those legacy conspiracy theories that you might go years thinking is quaint and popularly discarded until it surprisingly raises its head again in unsuspecting ways.  Kinda like flouride in the water, or the Illuminati, or the Rothschilds.  But then you find out from Marjorie Taylor Greene that the Illuminati Rothschilds are the ones controlling the weather!!!!  (And probably putting flouride in the vaccines!)  And such conspiracy theories aren't limited to the far-right, as even some of the anti-semitic left have gotten caught spouting it.  And those who think such things are too fringe to be connected directly to Trump himself, it should be noted that the same weather-modification conspiracy, in relation to these recent hurricanes, was pushed by Michael Flynn as well, a man who was Trump's former National Security Advisor and, again, who he has promised a role in his next administration, and whose military officer background confers a sheen of legitimacy in his purported disclosure of such so-called 'military technology'.  (Whether Flynn actually believes this or is simply pushing disinformation is hardly a significant distinction.)

It might be little wonder that Bob Woodward's new book, usually the occasion of massive media attention, has largely been swallowed with only modest fanfare this week, despite having some rather interesting behind-the-scenes revelations about both Biden and Trump's relations to world leaders.  I assume the rest of the next month will only be more constipated with breaking news, with the truly relevant competing with the bullshit for your attention.

So for tonight, I'll limit it to this story, because I feel like keeping it to the lighter side of easier to ridicule bullshit.





The above is not an A.I. generated image.

It is "Sean" Moon (son of Sun Myung Moon of the Unitarian "Moonie" fame) at his own Rod of Iron Ministries, described as a MAGA church, who venerates not only Trump but the AR-15 itself as "an instrument of God’s divine justice - the 'rod of iron' invoked in Revelation 2:27" (and ironically the weapon which almost took Trump's life).  At the church's "Freedom Fest" this year, they will be raffling off a brand new Trump-branded AR-15 this upcoming weekend.

Billed as the “largest open carry rally in America,” the festival draws attendees to celebrate the Second Amendment and hear from headliners that will include former Trump national security adviser Michael Flynn, radio host Sebastian Gorka, former US Rep. Allen West, former Trump ICE Director Tom Homan, and Pizzagate conspiracy theorist Jack Posobiec.

Some familiar names to note.

A graduate of Harvard Divinity School, Pastor Sean Moon’s sermons and social media videos espouse a particular End Times theology that predicts a future overthrow of the American government...

Moon often wears a crown of bullets, carries a gold-plated assault weapon, and rides a Harley in a helmet with a creepy skeleton facemask. (Moon also seems to have musical aspirations: He raps under the name King Bullethead and will also perform at this weekend’s Freedom Fest.)

If you happen to be interested in these Trump-themed arms, act fast!








 


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10/16/2024 9:29 pm  #287


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Vivian Kubrick has come out to defend Trump for using some wildly out of context clips from Full Metal Jacket to support a return to a more masculine military.  Thankfully, Vivian is not in control of her father's copyrights.  More alarmingly, Vivian added that Kubrick "would be a Trump supporter and would forgive using FMJ incongruously, if it helps the cause of freedom".  Freedom from what, exaclty?  "the entirely demoralizing and inappropriate injection of WOKE ideology into the USA military". 

"Demoralizing" is an interesting word in this context, since the boot camp scenes being used from Full Metal Jacket happen to portray the method of psychological demoralization necessary to turn a person into a dispassionate killer.  But Viviane is adamant: "I’m certain my father would have agreed".  Good for you.  How is your father, by the way?  You know, the guy you cut ties with and refused to talk to even after he wrote you a 40-page letter begging you to come home after you deserted your family when you joined the Church of Scientology?  Did you read that letter?  That he wrote shortly before dying of a broken heart?  Have you even talked to your mother in 25 years?  You certainly didn't at your father's funeral, thanks to your Scientology "minders".  Anyway, I'm so happy that you're "certain" about how your father feels about anything.
 


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10/17/2024 7:23 am  #288


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I didn't know about that stuff about his daughter. Frankly, it's always probably let the films speak for themselves and not any one who nominates themselves to speak for it. Estranged family members or not.

What do you make out of the early voting turn out in Georgia? To me this seems like a good sign, but what do I know.
 

 

10/17/2024 12:44 pm  #289


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I didn't know about that stuff about his daughter.

Christiane, Kubrick's wife, went public with the story around 2010.  This piece has the rundown:

It all began, she says, while Stanley was editing Eyes Wide Shut, which starred Tom Cruise and Nicole Kidman. Stanley asked Vivian to compose the score, but at the last moment she said she wouldn't. Instead, she disappeared into San Francisco and Los Angeles. "They had a huge fight. He was very unhappy. He wrote her a 40-page letter trying to win her back. He begged her endlessly to come home from California. I'm glad he didn't live to see what happened."

On the day of Stanley's funeral, Christiane says, Vivian arrived with a woman nobody recognised. "She just sat in Vivian's room. Never said hello to us. Just sat. We were all spooked. Who was this person? Turns out she was a Scientology something-or-other, don't know what."

"Did Vivian give a reason why she joined the Scientologists?" I ask.

"It's her new religion," Christiane shrugs. "It had absolutely nothing to do with Tom Cruise by the way. Absolutely not."

"Maybe it was her way of dealing with her father's death?"

"I think she must have been very upset," Christiane says, "but, again, I wouldn't know. I know nothing. That is the truth. I can't reach her at all. I've had two conversations with her since Stanley died. The last one was eight years ago. She became a Scientologist and didn't want to talk to us any more and didn't see her dying sister, didn't come to her funeral. And these were children that had been joined at the hip."

Despite Jon Ronson suggesting that Vivian may have joined the Church after Kubrick's death, I've seen elsewhere that it was her joining which caused their fallout.

crumbsroom wrote:

What do you make out of the early voting turn out in Georgia? To me this seems like a good sign, but what do I know.

What I find to be an even better sign has been this week's series of victories from Georgia judges which have thrown out a number of recent election rules changes which have been made by MAGA-sympathetic members of the state's Election Board which 1) require the Board to certify the election results; 2) reversed a superfluous hand-count requirement which could have delayed the certification; and 3) blocked an additional seven rules that granted authority to "county officials" to conduct inquires and access "all election-related documentation", as well as new restrictions on signatures and ID verifications for absentee ballots.

The rule changes were challenged by a former Republican state legislator and a Republican board member in Chatham County. They represented increasing Republican opposition to the actions of the election board’s three MAGA-aligned members, who Trump praised as “pit bulls fighting for honesty, transparency, and victory” during a rally in August.  

The court decisions blocking the board’s new rules are an emphatic setback for the election denial movement in one of the country’s most important battleground states. However, the elevation of 2020 skeptics to the board—and their subsequent actions—have gone a long way toward legitimizing conspiracy theories in the state.

So make no mistake, these efforts were for the service of prolonging the state's certification process to obstruct the later Congressional certification (which will be on Jan. 6, 2025).

That's good news for Georgia...at least.  John Oliver also had a piece on this increase of Trump-supporting election-deniers in positions of power in other states as well.



 


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1/10/2025 5:20 pm  #290


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I haven't seen the entire episode of Mel Gibson on Joe Rogan, although it seems to be inspiring quite a bit of internet controversy for a variety of reasons, but I did manage to catch a clip from it where Gibson is playing up the Persecuted Christian ComplexTM because Mel is still under the impression that all of his reputational problems were caused by being a Christian - and a highly successful one at that - instead of, you know, all of the drinking and Jew-hating (which, going out on a limb, should not be considered necessarily requisite to Christian theology).  And Mel also seemed to be affected by a constant nervous twitch, a kind of manic breathlessness, throughout.

Anyway, the clip pretty much revolved around a central falsehood which also happens to shed light on Gibson's own malign form of Christian worldview, specifically his position as a Catholic Sedevacantism, which is an right-extremist form of Catholicism which rejects the post-Vatican II (circa 1966) Catholic Church, and considers any modern pope subsequent to that as illegitimate, and which believes that the "true" Church remains in remission until such time that these Vatican II reformations are overturned, and the Church returned to ite more primitive medieval form.  I'm not sure if Gibson ever actually uses any of this terminology in the interview - he certainly does not in the 10-15 minute clip I watched - but he does cite these Vatican II reforms as the modern betrayal of the Church, and explicitly rejects the post-Vatican II church, with particular scorn placed on the current Pope Francis, who is clearly the most liberal Pope in modern history at least.  Gibson considers the Vatican II Church as "morally compromised".  And, again, his rejection of Vatican II is to blame for his perceived persecution by these shady media elites.  These anti-Vatican II viewpoints have been of growing interest in American politics as some significant Catholics - such as JD Vance and Samuel Alito - have associations with the brand of "post-liberal Catholicism", which should be understood in the context of the primary criticism against the Vatican II reforms as a concession of the Church to liberalism.  More specifically, the Vatican II, for the first time in the Church's history, respected the "freedom of religion" for individuals, meaning that the Church was no longer obligated to persecute people of non-Catholic faiths.  One can see how such a view might irritate those Catholics (such as Vance and Alito) who wish to upend the Establishment Clause of the Constitution which protects citizens against a privileged religion or espousing the primacy of a given religion.

But more relevantly to Gibson himself is that his father, Hutton Gibson, happened to be a stanch sedevacantist and fierce critic of the Vatican II Church, claiming that it was perpetrated as "a Masonic plot backed by the Jews", because the Jews are intent on establishing a "global religion and one-world government".  In the parlance of right-wing antisemitism, a "global religion and one-world government" are indistinguishable from "liberalism".  Oh, and, by the way, the Vatican II also explicitly condemned antisemitism, which is a quieter but important aspect for those wishing for its repeal.  In the Joe Rogan interview, or at least the 10-15 minute segment I watched, Mel Gibson was effusive in praise for his father, for his brilliance and intellect above all, displaying no evidence of remorse or apology for Hutton's well-publicised statements as, for example, a rabid Holocaust-denier ("mostly fiction" was Hutton's verdict).  Sometimes these things just rhyme.

But all of that aside, these Vatican II issues, although of interest as a issue of theological debate, are not even the controversy which was most unsettling about this clip.  Indeed, much of all of that concerning the Gibsons' background religious views have long been established.  No, the real problem was that in railing agaist the post-Vatican II Church, and supporting his argument of its illegitimacy, Gibson went further away from mere theology and straight into slander.  Gibson proposed that it was due to the Vatican II's reforms which enabled and promoted the Catholic Chirch's pedophile scandal.  Such a slur isn't even novel, as there have been a few conservative Catholics who, over the years, have attempted to blame the scandal on "weakened morality" following the sexual revolution and the cultural liberalism of the '60s onward, which did run concurrent with the mid-60s Vatican II reforms, but any honest research on the subject will easily prove this as nonsense.  That there is substantially more concrete documentation of Church abuses from the second half of the 20th Century than prior is due more to the fact that such investigations into Church abuses did not even begin in earnest until the 1980s-90s, with the vast majority taking place after 2000, meaning that the relative availability of surviving witness acounts prior to 1950 are scant and, in fact, weren't even sought out.  Most of the studies I've seen start at 1950.  Nut even by the 50s, a decade prior to Vatican II, we have accounts from a priest, Gerald Fitzgerald, writing to Pope Paul VI (who oversaw Vatican II) about "substantial problems with abusive priests".  A Northan Ireland study from 2014, considered the largest such study in the UK, had no problem finding abuse as early as 1922.  And even a quick glace at Wiki shows far more historical instances suggesting at least a normalization of abuse in some areas of Europe:

Sexual abuse in the Catholic Church has been reported as far back as the 11th century, when Peter Damian wrote the treatise Liber Gomorrhianus against such abuses and others.  In the late 15th century, Katharina von Zimmern and her sister were removed from their abbey to live in their family's house for a while partly because the young girls were molested by priests.  In 1531, Martin Luther claimed that Pope Leo X had vetoed a measure that cardinals should restrict the number of boys they kept for their pleasure, "otherwise it would have been spread throughout the world how openly and shamelessly the Pope and the cardinals in Rome practice sodomy."

Mel Gibson's not-too-clever ruse is to confuse incidence of abuse with discovery of abuse, and since the revelation and prosecution of priest abuse has only been a fairly modern occurence, concentrated mostly within the last 30 years, Gibson would have us believe that it has only been during this time in which such abuse occurred.  Which is a deeply dishonest way to try to launder one's antisemitism, or perhaps a more nefarious way to try and return to an ecumenical era when such abuse could more safely survive in the shadows.

 


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2/15/2025 2:09 pm  #291


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Rather than spend the empty calorie energy rolling out the "told you so"s over the 'Genocide Joe' voters who chose to sit out the election, as if there was an option to do so, in light of Trump now making genocide the official foreign policy of the US, in fact proposing to take over the burden of the illegal occupation and forced resettlement of the citizens of Gaza ourselves, I'd rather focus on the just straight-up bullshit coming out of the holes of members of our leftist media which continue to present some chilling potential reprecussions going forward.  Of course, pre-emptively, it's unfortunately necessary to point out the obvious, that we should not be in the business of conflating those "pro-Palestinian" protesters who are rightly outraged over Netanyahu's cruel and disproportionate slaughter of Gazan citizens, mostly women and children and vastly uninvolved in the terrorist atrocities committed by Hamas on October 7th.  Such false conflations should be the enemy of any responsible discourse.  So naturally, it's also unfortunately necessary to call out and condemn the false conflations being peddled in leftist media.  We should agree that collective piunishment is immoral and in violation of human rights.  So it's sad to see those on our purported left try to blame the victims of October 7th for "provoking" the terrorist attack, simply for being citizens of the occupying state (no questions asked whether any of these victims support the occupation, or are participants as settlers on occupied land).  Collective punishment runs on both sides of the street, and remains inexcusable either way, and those who try might just be awful people not worth your bandwidth.

Since the recent very public embarassment of The Young Turks' duplicity, arguably the leading and most influential internet media voice of the left has become The Majority Report w/ Sam Seder.  It's been quite insightful to see the show's evolution on their Oct. 7 coverage, initially condemning its violence while continuing to stand on the principle of ending the occupation.  I suspect that this reasonable position is shared by the majority of left/liberal protests.  As the months passed, however, we start to see the subtle shifts.  We got to hear some nonsense about how "from the river to the sea" only applies to Palestinian territory, and not an explicit call for Israel's destruction.  Then, after a few more months, these outlets are more explicitly calling for Israel's destruction.  Suddenly, sometime last spring, it became more fashionable to support the Oct. 7 violence as legitimate resistance, even though Hamas is not a legitimate governing entity, nor has it shown any indication that it has these Palestinian victims' best interests at heart, by leader Yahya Sinwar's own admission, more than willing to use these innocent civilians as fodder, as cover for their own terrorist operations.  The Palestinian population is as much a hostage of Hamas as the Oct. 7 prisoners, Hamas having seized control of the state in an undemocratic military coup in 2007, and resisting any popular referendum since.  There is no evidence of "consent of the governed" here, which is exactly why it is so immorally erroneous for the Israeli military to hold these Palestinian lives accountable for the crimes of Hamas.  Hamas is an organized criminal organization which does not represent or answer to the Palestinian people, but rather to their mullah masters in Iran who subsidizes their exploitation of the Palestinian people and their cause.

Eventually, after conferring legitimacy onto this terrorist outfit, it wasn't long before Majority Report began explicitly calling for the disestablishment of the state of Israel.  Sam Seder - who is Jewish - has been less explicit on this point, allowing "maybe this Zionist experiment hasn't worked out so well", and it is quite noticeable that the anti-Israel commentary becomes more amplified whenever Seder is absent.  The main purveyors of this idiotic dogma have been co-host Emma Vigeland - a bottom shelf Amy Goodman - and producer Matt Lech - a full-flowering fool who has over the past year somehow usurped a role as unofficial co-host, mumbling snottily in his own customized side-cam.  Lech is a perfect example of the more toxic form of leftist, the kind of neo-Marxist who conspicuously avoids Marx's name, the dirt-bag chapo house prick who also trafficks though the other poorly groomed leftist pod-sphere.  In addition, once-a-week guest Brandon Sutton (also when Seder is absent) openly flaunts a cheap cardboard placard supporting Within Our Lifetime, the pro-Hamas protest group known for openly celebrating the Oct. 7 atrocities, trolling a NYC event for that day's victims, and vandalizing the homes of prominent NY Jews with painted red triangles (which is the symbol Hamas uses to designate military targets).

There's been a lot of talk about how anti-Zionism is not the same as antisemitism, and I agree.  However, I find it to be exceptionally naive to ignore certain overlaps, or to pretend not to understand how one can be used to launder the other.  Personally, I'm agnostic on the Zionist question.  Zionism, in its simplest form, is the belief that Jews deserve to have a homeland for themselves.  Some Jews disagree.  Many Jews have very different conceptions of what this Jewish homeland should look like.  But I don't believe that a Zionist state should preclude the persecution, oppression, occupation or otherwise disenfranchisement of another people, any more than Palestinian nationalism (which has also existed for decades prior to the end of the British Mandate) should require the oppression of regional Jews.  During that time of "Arab revolt" and "Jewish insurgency" atrocities were committed on both sides, and indeed on the occupying British forces as well.  The 1947 UN Partitian Plan for Palestine, a two-state solution which excluded Jerusalem as an international and independent enclave state, could have set the mold for a workable path to mutual cooperation, but it was never enacted as both sides collapsed into back-biting and betrayal, the 1948 Arab-Israel War.  Peace has been sisyphean ever since, and "blame" becomes so ubiquitous and well-earned as to be morally unintelligible.

"Liberal Zionism", by definition, is the continuing support of a workable two-state solution, autonomy and sovereignty for both sides, an end to occupation and apartheid.  I consider this to be my position, and I consider it to be the position that is truly pro-Palestinian, in the best interests of the people themselves.  Emma Vigeland, in her Brooklyn-baked wisdom, is on record stating the following, "Liberal Zionism is functionally equivalent as Nazism."  You think I'm not offended by such bullshit?

I'm not saying that there isn't room for reasonable debate and disagreement on the efficacy of a two-state solution versus other alternatives, but clearly such a debate and discussion is not being invited by comments such as those.  It's an unambiguous smear, intended to sway their knee-jerk audience away from even considering the possibility of a two-state solution.  But to be fair, let me describe Miss Vigeland's, and Matt Lech's, preferred proposal for their version of a one-state solution: 1) the disestablishment of the state of Israel; 2) a Palestinian state incorporating both Arab and Israeli populations; 3) to be an ostensibly democratic state with Israelis as the minority.  Again, as I said, I'm not writing off this plan prima facie, but it needs to be pointed out that it involves several contingencies worth addressing.  Using South African reconciliation as an appropriate model, there is a very obvious lack of consideration here for security guarantees against any future retaliatory violence, retaliatory oppressive measures which could be passed by a Palestinian-majority government fueled by these many decades of resentments.  (In fact, it is exactly this kind of "eye-for-an-eye" policy which we rightly condemn Israel for inflicting.)  What guarantees can we secure against the collapse of any democratic system itself?  Which is not an academic hypothetical, as we already saw a democratic plurality of elected Hamas members respond within a year with a full military takeover and expulsion of their political rivals in 2007.  Which brings me to the next idiocy from Majority Report.  Just this week, Matt Leech-Lick asserted that he was fully willing to accept a democratically-elected Hamas government in this future post-Israel one-state Palestine.  The obvious follow-up (which of coarse was not asked) is what to do if a similar military coup were to take place.  For Matt Lech, what does it matter as long as Israel is destroyed?  For Lech, a Hamas terrorist regime in the Levant is apparently far more acceptable than Netanyahu's preferred settler-terrorist regime.  But more importantly, preferable to a two-state solution apparently.  I present this example as a solid proof of antisemitism, Sam Seder be damned for his silence.

Hamas is an antisemitic organization.  This is not up for debate or opinion.  It is the objective historical fact.  Matt Lech, and presumably all of Majority Report, are more willing to accept an explicitly antisemitic regime in a one-state Palestine than a two-state solution.  Sometimes, these things just happen to rhyme.  Lech has pretended to be an atheist opposed to Christian nationalism, and yet here he is welcoming a theocracy in the Middle East.  Subsidized and funded by another theocracy in Iran.  In some impressively sophist jujitsu, maybe they can excuse this theocratic antisemitism by accusing its opponents of Islamophobia - as if the vast majority of Muslims were as hateful as Hamas.  But what do I know, I'm a functionally equivalent Nazi it seems.

I'm sure that these assholes will try their best to dissemble from the facts.  They will, no doubt, claim that Hamas is actually anti-Zionist, not antisemitic, even though Article 7 of their founding charter called for the global genocide of Jews.  Oh!  They updated that charter in 2017, where they didn't actually revoke or denounce any of this genocidal mandate, but rather just changed "Jew" to "Zionist" while maintaing the exact same ethnic slander and antisemitic tropes.  They are literally laundering their antisemitism, and leftists like Majority Report are aiding the effort.  And as recently as 2019, we have a former Hamas Interior Minister, Fathi Hamad, sayng "You have Jews everywhere and we must attack every Jew on the globe by way of slaughter and killing, if God permits."  (I like how the Wiki for Hamad points out that "the deliberate killing of civilians is prohibited in Islamic law" - unless those civilians are attending a music festival!)  Of course, he and Hamas tried to walk that back, but it sounds more like the quiet part out loud.  You can find a number of "official" quotes from Hamas figures saying things like  "We don't really hate the filthy Jew so much", but it has the same 'both-sides-of-the-mouth' flavor as Netanyahu quotes where he declares his full commitment to a two-state solution, while lifting not a finger about it and instead tacitly endorsing illegal settlement expansions.  Or, you know, covertly funding Hamas, for example, almost like they're brothers-in-arms in the same game of fear, rage and exploitation.

But even with Netanyahu's approval and patronage, we're supposed to believe that this lefty media just can't keep up with the practical facts on the ground?  I'm sure some of it is due to poor education, perhaps, maybe they see what they want to see.  Emma Vigeland also recently excoriated a caller who was trying to talk some common sense about the perils of supporting the Houthis, because they are also an antisemitic organization, whose founding leader, Hussein al-Houthi, has said that Islam "will not be safe from Jews except through their eradication and the elimination of their entity".  Vigeland had a conniption and told the caller they were "a baby", and pointed out that "the number one enemy" was "Western imperialism".  Suffice it to say, I do not share that priority.  And, dare I say, I don't think this is a winning strategy for left/liberals going forward.  Not that they care.  After Oct.7, when Within Our Lifetime was in NYC openly celebrating the violence on innocent civilians, Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez immediately condemned the protest group, as did many other elected members on the left side of the aisle.  Within a few months, the Democratic Socialists of America - a group which is frequently promoted on Majority Report - decided to kick AOC to the curb due exactly to her refusal to co-sign the antisemitism from groups like Within Our Lifetime.  I think it's safe to say that if you've lost AOC, you aren't winning any elections any time soon.  But, hey, good luck on that revolution, you useless pieces of shit.
 


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2/15/2025 2:24 pm  #292


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Half the time online leftists whine about liberals, they’re describing liberals. The other half the time it’s people who agree with them but are lame. I don’t have to like how Biden handled Gaza to think sitting out the election is a bad idea or to realize that Trump will be worse on the issue (as has become quickly apparent).


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2/15/2025 2:36 pm  #293


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Rock wrote:

Half the time online leftists whine about liberals, they’re describing liberals. The other half the time it’s people who agree with them but are lame. I don’t have to like how Biden handled Gaza to think sitting out the election is a bad idea or to realize that Trump will be worse on the issue (as has become quickly apparent).

Without even getting into the misrepresenting of liberal philosophy, I honestly have trouble understanding this infatuation that the left has for Islamic theocracy.  Is it just an over-educated guilt complex?  An overcompensation to the Islamophobia of the Bush years?  Whatever it is, like I pointed out, when it comes to these fundamentalist groups like Hamas and Houthis, the left is either are ignorant of their deeply embedded antisemitism or they're deliberately trying to (*ahem*) white-wash it.


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2/17/2025 3:06 pm  #294


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Doubling down today, I see Matt Lech saying "Zionism is the number one evil in this world we need to counter".  Again, I don't share this priority.  And even if I was committed to anti-Zionism, I would be hard-pressed for the issue to crack my top ten, considering all the evils we have to counter in the world today.  Because, you know, I dunno, climate change?

These are not serious people, and are active distractions from getting any real progressive work done.
 


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4/12/2025 4:54 am  #295


Re: The Fuck Happened?

Anyone less–than interested in sitting through the full video of Wednesday's 107–minute Senate Judiciary Sub–Committee on Crime and Terrorism hearing with Meta whistleblower Sarah Wynn–Williams can read a full transcript courtesy of Tech Policy Press, and it looks horribly damning for the little Zucker.

Williams alleges, and the committee seems to have the evidence in–hand, that Zuckerberg and Meta have repeatedly lied right to Congress' faces under oath, have been secretly doing business in China since 2014, and have been colluding with the Chinese Communist Party for the past decade to undermine U.S. national security, to provide Facebook/Meta users' data to the CCP, to build a physical cable between China and the U.S. that would allow the CCP to intercept American citizens' personal data and private messages, to help China outcompete American companies in military artificial intelligence, and to have Facebook/Meta do the actual work of monitoring, censoring and silencing people on Beijing's behalf and under the CCP's direction, not just within mainland China, not just in Hong Kong and Taiwan, but in the United States. 

Zuck and Meta deny the allegations and are suing Williams to the tune of hundreds of millions in a forced arbitration, have secured a gag order and have threatened her with $50,000 in damages any time she mentions Facebook in public, including every statement she would nevertheless proceed to make during Wednesday's testimony before Congress, plus $50,000 in damages any time a senator on the committee repeats anything she would say about Facebook at the hearing, and $50,000 in damages any time one of the senators' staff repeats anything she would say about Facebook at the hearing.

The scorching details of her testimony go far beyond what is being reported in the mainstream press and are so plentiful I'd have to copy/paste the entire transcript to include them all. The transcript provided by Tech Policy Press is riddled with the kind of syntax and spelling errors one might see in voice–to–text or closed–captioning software, but the resulting inadvertent riddles are usually easy enough to solve, such as when Tiananmen Square is transcribed as "Town and Square." Just know that when Sen. Blackburn is quoted as saying "holes," she's really saying "holds."

Aside from saving time, I thought that reading the transcript would make it easier to swallow the fact that people like Josh Hawley and Marsha Blackburn are on the committee, but even those assholes come across as sober and professional in the video. Beyond national security, it seems clear that contempt for Mark Zuckerberg has become a unifying sentiment across the political divide that even the most treasonous of partisans can come together on.

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4/27/2025 7:00 pm  #296


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Getting back into pure disinformation, again, I could go on and on about Bill Maher.  Like how he also recently quibbled that "Trump doesn't actually tell lies, he tells 'half-truths'", which, sorry to say, sure sounds a lot like lying to me!  Or as Pryor's kid said, "I wasn't reeally lying.  My lips were moving real fast, my eyes were twitching, little sweat on my brow, it kinda looked like I was lying, sounded pretty implausible and crazy, but, uh-uh, I was only half-truthing".  Unfortunately, this kind of logic of monochromatic brittle binaries has been the main fuel of disinformation, and this refusal to understand grey nuance has contributed to our collective epistemic sclerosis.  You see, as Maher would have it, there's true and there's falseHalf-truths are therefore not false, they're just not entirely true either.  Saying that half-turths are anything other than falsehoods, by definition, is sophic disinformation, intentional deception by any other metric.  It is precisely the leverage created by the half-truths, or the true half, which allows the digestion of the false half, and therefore is even more toxic than pure falsehood.  It is in this confusion of half-truth which allows the rot of false analogy, false binary, whataboutism and other logical fallacies to take root.  It is a slightly more sophisticated form of lying, but it is still a lie, and should not be excused as anything else.

But I'll get into that more in another post.  Here, I want to highlight a couple of recent videos from Malcolm Gladwell focusing on dissecting the deceptive falsehoods of Robert Kennedy Jr, which he also dishonestly tries to couch in pseudoscientific half-truths, or rather a very crooked understanding of the scientific data.  Here, Gladwell expertly illustrates how this is not simply a matter of RFK Jr. being an idiot about such matters, but instead is quite deliberately engaging in orchestrated falsehood.  The second clip involves RFK Jr's interview with Joe Rogan, where Gladwell also decimates Rogan's lack of interviewing competence and intellectual virility, but also points to the obvious conclusion that, regardless of whether Rogan is intellectually capable of this level of critical reasoning, he is not too stupid to fail to understand his role and function in this propaganda agenda.

The only downside of these videos - which run 30-40 minutes each - is Gladwell's unfortunate NPR production style.








(Also, for anyone willing to get into it, another recent Joe Rogan guest, a Dr. Suzanne Humpries, made the jaw-droppingly insane claim that "tuberculosis was a side effect of the smallpox vaccine".  Joe Rogan has also claimed that the polio vaccine actually caused polio cases, which can be debunked here.  Clearly there's only so much in the torrential bullshit that a meager man like Malcolm Gladwell can bucket.

More to the point of Bill Maher, though, Maher is also, like Kennedy and Woody Harrelson, a believer in the "terrain theory" over "germ theory", and this has long informed his own noxious notions of health care and vaccines over the years, once famously claiming that he could not ever get the flu due to the fact that his homeopathically healthy body would not accomodate such a virus.

Bill Maher and Joe Rogan would very much like for us to believe that these stances are somehow more scientifically credible than the factual incidences of marginalized sexual ambiguities in gender identity.)
 


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4/27/2025 9:19 pm  #297


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Of course, as with endlessly precipitous bullshit, we find the compulsive need to relitigate WWII, and up is down and black is white and maybe we elected President Schicklgruber after all.  These are all old jokes which won't make any sense to the children left behind in the post-Bush/Common Core/pandemic education disestablishment.  It's fun to treat our consequential history like so many mythical toys.  Who knows?  Maybe the Holocaust was the more compassionate alternative?  They had alll those people there (how'd they get there?), they might as well painlessly gas them than let them starve, right?  You see parallels in certain current deportation policy inclinations.  It's mercy, really when you think about it.  But don't.  It's...someone else's mess.

There's an emergence of the theory of "Winston Churchill was the true villain of WWII" recently platformed by the susceptible likes of Joe Rogan and Tucker Carlson, both neither bothering or motivated to challenge such assertions on base grounding, by the likes of some such dude-specimen as Darryl Cooper, which evolved into an exacerbatic back and forth recently between two twats with whom I cannot sympathize in the least, the debate on Joe Rogan between Dave Smith and Douglas Murray - my dog hath no bone in thar beef.  But it is a really squirrilly example of tying dipshits from the respective edges of obstinate insanity to come to this point of moral morass.  I was actually a bit impressed with this fellow dipshit over at the Leftist Splinter publication for drawing some sunshine on this reciprical confusion.  I've poked Splinter, and in particular the writer Jacob Weindling, for the site's somewhat feckless stance of American fatalism (he suggested that the Dems should have impeached Joe Biden before the election), but it's obvious that the left/right concentrics demand a convex perspective, and here Mr. Weindling is appalled at the emergence of a theory in which America was actually on the Axis side during WWII until some last minute maneuver.  Yeah, it's kind of crazy how history can get so distorted out of shape, isn't it?  The half-truths I mentioned earlier - the Limberghs and Fords and other industrial corporate interests which supported, or at least facilitated the rise of the industrial Third Reich - have now been encompassed into all of American political will during this time, despite absolutely no evidence of such support from the Roosevelt government.  'All or Nothing' thinking diminishes any trace of contest or context.  I suppose in an intellectual environment where America is determined to be the default villain of world history, it might be easier to sell this kind of snake oil on the Left.  And that's what we need to protect from and shun out.
 


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4/30/2025 11:58 am  #298


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I get this thread is about the US, but I breathed a huge sigh of relief on Monday night over I learned the Conservatives did not win the Canadian election.


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4/30/2025 12:52 pm  #299


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Rock wrote:

I get this thread is about the US, but I breathed a huge sigh of relief on Monday night over I learned the Conservatives did not win the Canadian election.

I mostly just couldn't stop laughing that Trump completely torched Poilievre's career. That weasel all but had the election locked up. The fact that the idiot presidents big stupid mouth basically caused an immediate 30 percent reversal of fortunes in the polling, in a country that absolutely had turned hostile towards the Liberals, is absolutely astonishing in what a perfect burn it was, and that Mr. PP will never be able to outrun. This loss will probably define the rest of his personal and political existence. And it looks good on him. Now he can go back to eating off of Trump's asscheeks without any worry that it could possibly harm him anymore than it already has.

 

4/30/2025 7:36 pm  #300


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Rock wrote:

I get this thread is about the US....

Nah, that's more the "MAGA hangover, America walk of shame" thread.  This one is for all-purpose cognitive bullshit, disinformation, cultish cunts and conspiracy theories based on bad sci-fi movies from the '90s.  It's not my fault that Canada simply hasn't been pulling its weight in Cray Exports.  I'm sure that some of you have it in you.  Just look at crumbs', um, characters (not family).  We need to maybe try and Make Canada Weird Again.  M'Cwa!  Like one of those birds of prey your country must have.

A good place to start might be in some dank 'Carnivore' memes for your new prime minister (or president, Americans don't know the difference).


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