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"Volodymyr Zelenskyy 2016 Playing Piano with Penis"
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It will not surprise you to learn that the author of that post had absolutely unhinged takes on the slap and Ukraine. Their presence is pretty much a guarantee that a thread is going to shit.
I think my favorite horrible quote from her was "I don't believe that anything is morally indefensible. Life is complex!", followed shortly afterward by "I have a theology degree..."
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About halfway through the new Kids in the Hall. It takes some adjusting to how poorly they've phystically aged, but maybe that's partly because they were originally so uncannily boyish looking anyway. Now? Well a couple of them look like they've been through some kind of dioxin poisoning.
Also never really expected for little Jacques and little Francios to make an appearance. Brave and pitiful, not in terribly equal degree.
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Looks like Netflix was able to film a new Norm MacDonald stand-up special before he passed away. The bad news is that it's apparently (according to David Spade) rather green material that Norm had not had the time to iron out. My understanding is that Netflix will be using this footage interspersed into a documentary which will also use footage of Norm's recent memorial out on by many of his friends and collegues.
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I'm greatly looking forward to the upcoming George Carlin documentary for what should be obvious reasons. (Hard recommend for Carlin's book, Last Words, a posthumous assemblage that works as effective an autobiography as he could have written.)
But I have doubts. Primarily that it is co-directed by Judd Apatow. Judd's previous doc on Garry Shandling was similarly irresistible for the subject and vintage materials, but I had a number of issues with Apatow's lack of depth in dealing with Shandling's more profound philosophical and spiritual engagements. But, like Carlin, it's thankfully virtually impossible to compile a halfway adequete collection of the comic doing what he does best and have the results be less than thrilling. They're idiot-proof levels of genius.
But what a fucking idiot. I saw Apatow on Colbert this week, plugging the Carlin doc. Colbert asks Apatow, perhaps presuming that this project has endowed him with some kind of insight, what it was about Carlin's mind from which he was able to craft such brilliant, timeless comedy. Judd's answer: "Cocaine". Colbert waits a few seconds for the glib joke to land, but Judd wasn't joking, "Seriously, he spent most of his time by himself doing cocaine and writing material." This is, I'm guessing, the same 'cocaine' that Carlin quit in 1986, after which he continued to produce 20 years of brilliant comedy without its aid (and, arguably, some may legitimately say that this more cantankerous, crusty incarnation of Carlin was perhaps his finest work, on at least a couple of those sets). But here's the real idiocy in action: Judd later admits that he himself has never done cocaine, or any drugs, and is basically completely ignorant of their effects and influences. Don't let that stop you, ya cunt, from reducing all of that brilliance from this complex and complicated person down into a substance that Carlin himself called "a colossal waste of time, health and money". You know what's as addictive as cocaine? Kissing all of the ass in the comedy industry for 40 years until they let you make all of the documentaries.
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The Hall
5/10
This piece of shit. Who the fuck? Couple questions. Why? I mean, ok, somebody wants to do a special celebrating the legends of comedy. I love comedy. This wouldn't be the first attempt at culling a Hall of Fame for the legendary comedians, but, except for the Kennedy Center Mark Twain Prize, they all tend to fizzle out pretty quickly. No, what I mean is why, if you were going to try such an endeavor, would you do so in such a half-assed fashion? And everything about this production mumbles 'half-ass'. Starting with the mumbly half-ass Pete Davidson as the host, someone who quips about "why am I here?", and, good question, since he followed that up by saying nothing remotely funny. Next we get some half-assed Mix Master Mike scratches straight outta 1991, except not even to the quality of what he was doing then with the Beasties. Even the backdrop, with the title "The Hall" (too half-assed to say the hall of what) scribbled on a simulated wadded-up piece of notebook paper. The lack of effort or enthusiasm is almost contemptuous.
It's hard to argue with the selection - George Carlin, Richard Pryor, Robin Williams and Joan Rivers - purely on a generalized, cover the basics level. I would ask, why not a few more, since this special is only a (half-assed) 70 minutes long. Maybe punch it out to two hours and fit in Lenny or Lily or Steve. Whatever. Probably not a coincidence that the highlights are of the actual Mark Twain prize winners, Jon Stewart and Dave Chappelle, inducting Carlin and Pryor respectively and respectfully. These are genuine moments of sincerity. But they both seem obviously uncomfortable with the venue. The tonal disconnect is clearest as Dave says "it's my utmost honor to induct", before flashing a smile that suggests "but not in this this motherfucker", dropping the mic and walking off stage like his check just cleared. I was relieved to find out that this Netflix special is not one of the ones from Dave's production slate.
It's from producer Jeff Ross, actually. Ross is one of those comics that you know has a lot of money, and probably drugs, because he's always around on the sidelines but never really says anything funny enough to justify his being there. For the last twenty years, he's been the head of the Friars Club Roasts on Comedy Central, as it's devolved into roasting such hilarious personalities as Donald Trump, Pam Anderson and Justin Bieber. In other words, it's less of a comic summit and more of a celebrity brothel. And to me that's what Jeff Ross represents. The big toe in those fungicide commercials. And so it's little surprise to see his name responsible for this half-ass shitshow.
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George Carlin's American Dream
As I pointed out above, George Carlin happens to be idiot-proof, not for lack of trying. The good news is that this 2 part special is so loaded with archival material - rare photos, vintage TV video, private cassette recordings, facsimiles of scores of pages of notes - that it's truly irresistible for fans of all degree. And, over its four hour run, is an impressively faithful representation of the man, his talents and flaws, lusts and loves, inconsistencies and idiosyncrasies and indomitably defended principles. It's impossible to spend four hours immersed in Carlin's life and not be thrilled and fascinated.
Most of the irritations I had with the documentary are consistent with my dislike of a lot of modern documentaries of media figures, which usually involves devolving into rote narrative cliches, both stylistic and emotional, with low-hanging fruit observations and trite portents. Had the film been a conventional length feature, it would likely be unbearable, but thankfully, given the luxury of exhaustive content, the depth and complexity of Carlin is too vibrant to be constrained by easy bio tropes. Even in archival fragments, Carlin insists on speaking for himself.
The worst part of the film is easily the very beginning, an opening montage which looks like they were trying to make Carlin into a truck commercial or something. Maybe this is the kind of hook that's necessary these days, I dunno. I am glad that anyone who sits through the rest of the four hour special will hopefully be able to look back at the opening and realize that it's just as vacuous as the inflated mythical bullshit that Carlin was so intent on puncturing with his needle wit. It's a great irony that one of our greatest sociocultural mythbusters is being so facilely mythologized. I'm not at all impressed by the extent that Carlin continues to have viral memes and youtube clips, and I doubt he would be either. One reason is the internet hoax from the 2000s, where an imposter was pushing fake Carlin blogposts with right-wing agendas, racism about Katrina and welfare and other opinions which anyone with more than a passing familiarity with the man would know instantly to be fraudulent. The fact is that there are tons of fake quotes attributed to Carlin that are easily found memes on the internet. There's a small industry of youtube videos of speciously edited Carlin clips pushing a wide variety (but mostly the grossest extremes) of political perspectives. Anyone who knows George Carlin from memes and youtube frankly doesn't know a goddamn thing. And similarly, the opening caricature of Carlin in this doc, the tough bootstrapping fuck-your-feelings nihilist, is exposed around the 3:40 mark of the documentary as not Carlin the man but a "backdoor" provocation to shock the audience into realizing our collective lack of empathy. Basically, the opening is exactly the Carlin that assholes misunderstand and misappropriate. Hopefully these kinds of fans can muster the patience to make it far enough to understand the modest, merciful idealist underneath the crags that people like this have caused him to protect himself by wielding.
But yet Carlin insists on speaking for himself. One clear fact that emerges is that Carlin steadfastly refuses to be owned by anyone, put into anyone's pet box, forced to speak on behalf of anyone. And this is why the special's most awkward segments involve attempts to latch Carlin onto larger sociopolitical trends (even recent ones) using ample amounts of stock footage and Time/Life B-roll. It's a distraction and noise that misses the point of his more universal truth of singular clarity and compassion.
10/Carlin; 7/Apatow
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Update on the Dave Chappelle attacker:
Isaiah Lee has given an exclusive interview to the New York Post (curious that he chose that particular publication, a right-wing Murdoch-owned tabloid, but maybe the money was right). In it, he identifies as bisexual and claims a history of sexual abuse, says he was "triggered" by Chappelle's jokes on the LGBT+ community and homelessness, and claimed to have spent some time being homeless himself as a 23-year-old broke baby daddy whose hip-hop career doesn't appear to be paying the bills. He said he didn't intend to harm Chappelle (by tackling him), only that he wished to talk to Dave. "I wanted him to know that next time, he should consider first running his material by people it could affect." "It’s a struggle and I wanted Dave Chappelle to know it’s not a joke." And what more appropriate venue than the Netflix Is Not A Joke Festival.
There's also been word in the press that Lee is also being charged with the attempted murder of his "roommate", by repeatedly stabbing him back in December. This is a little misleading. "Roommate" implies familiarity in most cases. This situation was in a "transitory" housing facility, possibly due to Lee's homeless status, and the roommate could not identify Lee until he saw the pictures of him being taken away on a gurney. "There's that motherfucker who stabbed me!"
Here's the best part. Lee says that Chappelle asked to speak to him backstage after the assault: "I told him my mother and grandmother, who fought for his civil rights to be able to speak, would be upset at the things he said." But do they know that you've been stabbing people? The balls. This suggests maybe that Dave Chappelle's own parents and grandparents had not fought for the civil rights to be able to speak, as if Chappelle owes this Lee fellow's lineage some special debt of gratitude. Chappelle's reply, according to Lee (and I doubt it for a second), was priceless, "Now your story will die with you, son."
And then he kicked him in the pussy.
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And then he kicked him in the pussy.
D'ohhhhh!
I guess there's little point in saying "Shame on the New York Post" for giving this nutjob a platform. Tabloids got no shame.
Does this not count as an ongoing investigation?
Oh right. It's just a misdemeanor.
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Jinnistan wrote:
Update on the Dave Chappelle attacker:
Isaiah Lee has given an exclusive interview to the New York Post (curious that he chose that particular publication, a right-wing Murdoch-owned tabloid, but maybe the money was right). In it, he identifies as bisexual and claims a history of sexual abuse, says he was "triggered" by Chappelle's jokes on the LGBT+ community and homelessness, and claimed to have spent some time being homeless himself as a 23-year-old broke baby daddy whose hip-hop career doesn't appear to be paying the bills. He said he didn't intend to harm Chappelle (by tackling him), only that he wished to talk to Dave. "I wanted him to know that next time, he should consider first running his material by people it could affect." "It’s a struggle and I wanted Dave Chappelle to know it’s not a joke." And what more appropriate venue than the Netflix Is Not A Joke Festival.
There's also been word in the press that Lee is also being charged with the attempted murder of his "roommate", by repeatedly stabbing him back in December. This is a little misleading. "Roommate" implies familiarity in most cases. This situation was in a "transitory" housing facility, possibly due to Lee's homeless status, and the roommate could not identify Lee until he saw the pictures of him being taken away on a gurney. "There's that motherfucker who stabbed me!"
Here's the best part. Lee says that Chappelle asked to speak to him backstage after the assault: "I told him my mother and grandmother, who fought for his civil rights to be able to speak, would be upset at the things he said." But do they know that you've been stabbing people? The balls. This suggests maybe that Dave Chappelle's own parents and grandparents had not fought for the civil rights to be able to speak, as if Chappelle owes this Lee fellow's lineage some special debt of gratitude. Chappelle's reply, according to Lee (and I doubt it for a second), was priceless, "Now your story will die with you, son."
And then he kicked him in the pussy.
The actions and the explanation of this dipshit can be viewed as both a grotesque exaggeration of what 'cancel culture' might lead to in a worst case scenario, as well as the logical path that modern discourse has forged for these fucking loser, idealogue weirdos to grandstand their violent behavior.
Basically, I don't think its good that we look at this guy and point and say 'see, this is what happens when you say you can't joke about certain things'. But.....errr.....this is definitely what happens when dogmatic points of view completely harden and conversation no longer functions. And any cunt whose brain doesn't work can find reinforcement everywhere that any feeling he has is legitimate, and any person who may have made him feel those feelings has acted violently upon them with their ....jokes.
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The actions and the explanation of this dipshit can be viewed as both a grotesque exaggeration of what 'cancel culture' might lead to in a worst case scenario, as well as the logical path that modern discourse has forged for these fucking loser, idealogue weirdos to grandstand their violent behavior.
I think that calling Lee an "idealogue" is quite generous, implying sincerely-held beliefs. I see him as more of an opportunist, using Chappelle's coattails as a means to get his name out there, in the further deterioration of the line between fame and infamy that has been rotting away in our media age. The self-aggrandizement and predictable checkboxes of greivances suggest to me someone savvy enough to attempt to play the game but not smart enough to make it stick (Jussie Smollet comes to mind, another performer of ideology who likely doesn't adhere to any beyond the virtue of ego).
But the dinner bell tolls for thee, and similarly this is definitely a call, or a justification, for a great number of loser weirdos to take the playbook and run with it. To paraphrase an earlier Chappelle joke about fame, this shows that there may be a lucrative future in being a celebrity assaulter.
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I think that calling Lee an "idealogue" is quite generous, implying sincerely-held beliefs.
I agree. I just didn't know sincerely held beliefs were still a requirement for that anymore. Seems so quaint.
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Well, the headlines are bleeding yellow once more as here comes a fresh target into the rabble's crosshairs, and fresh fuel into the fires of self–righteous indignation: let's re–sharpen those guillotines again and get even more outraged over what GLAAD just condemned as the latest "graphic, dangerous, anti–trans rants masquerading as jokes," in the new Netflix stand–up comedy special from... Ricky Gervais.
Uh, ok? Funny thing, though... as soon as it occurs to me to make a point of seeing this latest comedy/horror for myself, a cold and familiar feeling descends over me: the vague but unmistakable sense that I'm being suckered.
I assume it's bound to happen if it isn't happening already, when the strategy for promoting new features capitalizes on cancelmania, by deliberately getting new features publicly condemned, generating outrage, headlines, flame wars and bottomless tweetnadoes of controversy, drawing Pavlovian moths like me fluttering instinctively into the cold LED glow of some production that would otherwise never have become so much as a fleeting blip on my radar. I don't mean I have any problem with Ricky Gervais. He's funny. But, you know, only so many hours in a day.
So, throwin' another violent stand–up comic on the barbie...
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Ricky Gervais - Supernature
6/10
All of the (actually, pretty tired) politics aside, the invariable effect is pretty much identical to my feelings for prior Gervais stand-up specials, which is the inescapable impression that he's a bit of a twat with the kind of prolapsed arrogance who's far too amused with his own charm to be convincingly witty. And such a self-fellated chub should probably know the definition of the prefix "super" by now. I dunno. I imagine he could have used more hugs as a child, but unlike other abandoned and abused child-turned-comedians (Pryor, Carlin), Gervais is far too pompous to develop a sense of empathy, which really trainwrecks his pretense of enlightened and righteous entitlement.
I wonder if he ever really understood that we were laughing at him in The Office.
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As funny as I think Gervais can be, I've always found him to be a fairly mediocre (at best) standup. Which is maybe impressive since that's not his natural format and doubt he's done his dues in small clubs honing his chops. But, still, he's not great. He desperately wants to be earth shatteringly profound with his insights about life and they have all the wallop of an average conversation at a dive bar. And, as for the jokes, you can always track exactly where they are going. Dave Foley once likened comedy to slight of hand, and ever since I've not been able to shake that connection. And so when Gervais reaches for your ear, you know exactly what's going to happen (plus you can see he palmed that nickle before hand)
As for the gender stuff outrage, I guess that's hardly surprising. I read a couple of articles floating out there angry about it and the fact that their authors can't emotionally separate themselves from disapproving of his jokes and how this comes from the fact that 'Ricky Gervais hates trans people' is fucking embarrassing. I get the trans rights issues are fairly new and thus are probably by necessity more reflexive then most. I also get that trans issues are slightly more complicated than some in that, it's not so much as a right for equality as a right for simple recognition that they exist, which I guess can't help but lead to a bit of extra fear of language that seems to not even understand the claim they make of who they are. But, for fucks sake people, if you want anyone who isn't already aggressively on your side to listen, you need to stop mistaking the root of these jokes being Hate towards you. Ricky Gervais doesn't hate you. At worst he doesn't understand you. And maybe it's not the best he's making jokes about something he doesn't entirely understand, but it's a far leap from hate.
And then there is also the reality of understanding the target of humor, which people of all groups are notoriously terrible at. Yes, Gervais does make a few jokes where the punchline is gendered people. Fairly harmless jokes, if you ask me, but if they want to discuss the ramifications of what those kind of jokes mean, the forum is all theirs. But it seems to me the vast majority of his punchlines involve, not so much trans people, as it is the frequently wildly reactions of those who defend trans people from any kind of real or perceived or totally imagined slight. He's not making claims he's worried that trans people will rape women in washrooms. He's making fun of being more concerned with inserting proper pronouns into a sentence where a woman WAS raped. And, also, making fun of those who are against trans people using their preferred washroom because of such manufactured concerns of possible sexual assault.
But, no matter, here we go with the TERF TERF TERF TERF horseshit again. That real chestnut to prove how much someone hates trans people. Just throw that word around a little. This little protective amulet that allows that trans community to act as if feminists, a group which still speaks for an incredibly underpriviledged and marginalized group in society, are somehow their sworn enemies due to their activism in pushing women's rights. Because they refuse to allow any discourse that ever tilts towards women who were born women (as if there are no unique qualities to the oppression of this particular group that still very much need tending to). Like, honestly, fuck all the people who throw that term around.
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But, no matter, here we go with the TERF TERF TERF TERF horseshit again. That real chestnut to prove how much someone hates trans people. Just throw that word around a little. This little protective amulet that allows that trans community to act as if feminists, a group which still speaks for an incredibly underpriviledged and marginalized group in society, are somehow their sworn enemies due to their activism in pushing women's rights. Because they refuse to allow any discourse that ever tilts towards women who were born women (as if there are no unique qualities to the oppression of this particular group that still very much need tending to). Like, honestly, fuck all the people who throw that term around.
Yes, this is also my frustration. Gervais made a similar joke to this, but I had an irritated response to someone shortly after the SCOTUS leak about overturning Roe v. Wade, where they said something like "This will be especially damaging to the LGBT+ community". Can we just let the cis-women have this one, fellas? It seems like a weird new way to cockblock an issue. I remember a critic of Chappele's who said that he had "reduced women to their reproductive functions". No, he didn't. Society has, and, as this recent leak adequetely proved, we're not out of those woods yet. I don't understand why transwomen, or their purported allies, pretend to not understand how central reproductive autonomy is in the history of the women's rights struggle. I don't understand this need to compete for some authentic category of "woman", or why we can't accept that transwoman and cis-women simply have different sets of lived experiences and different sets of challenges they face. I don't understand why there's a need to erase this distinction in order to validate the experience of transwomen. I'd hate to suggest that maybe such an insistence on denying this specifically reproductive discrimination faced by cis-women has aided in our collective lack of attention towards preserving this legal right of reproductive autonomy, and now the collective shock at "oh right, it was a big deal!"
It just happens to be a big deal that doesn't affect transwomen.
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I'm not smart or informed enough to look at this holistically, but I feel like over the last decade there's been this weird insistence on interpreting issues through a handful of social justice lenses, no matter how ill fitting that lens might be in understanding the actual issue. I don't know if this would be the cause, but surely there's a relation to the thinkpiece cottage industry, specifically publications like Jezebel and the Root that offer the glibbest version of these critiques and do a disservice to actual social justice efforts in the process. This is anecdotal, but I feel like I've seen an overall shift from misogyny to racism to late capitalism being brought up as a catch all explanation for whatever issue is being discussed. And my internal response is that things can be bad without being directly related to your specific grievance.
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I'm Team Eddie Izzard:
Women have been through such hell over history. Trans people have been invisible, too. I hate the idea we are fighting between ourselves...
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Norm MacDonald - Nothing Special
I appreciate the attempt to pre-emptively put some truth in advertizing. I would add that this doesn't exactly consist of new material, though maybe that's because of all of the clips available of '18-'19 stuff that's out there. Or maybe some of it's just obvious. I don't know. What I do know is that I'm delighted to spend some time with Norm. And he seems so game. And this seems like such an adequete eulogy. Norm is so in his element in this equivalent of doing his act in a bathroom mirror. We've all been his bathroom mirror all along. I'm honored.
(I'll excuse the extra commentary on the special because, according to Spade, they were pretty much blindsided into participating at Norm's memorial.)
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Urgh. There's like half a dozen of these new format Netflix specials which are all basically anthologies of various comedians but using a marquee name (Bill Burr, Amy Schumer) to sell them. They're....not great.
Even Dave Letterman is getting in on this, with an even weirder thing where he'll open with a few minutes of material (also good), have a comic come out to do a solid 6 minutes, and then spend the rest on a little interview segment.
I was happy to see the first of these had on Sam Morril, a very promising new comic, but on the other hand, I think Sam deserves a full hour special from Netflix, 'cause why not? He's great, and here's a couple of his prior specials to prove why he's perfectly capable.