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Any thoughts on Another Round?
Or: any thoughts from any possible drunks in attendance?
Or non-drunks, I guess. If they have things to say about such things as a movie like this. That knows both nothing and everything about addiction and compulsively destructive behaviour.
It saw me. It laughed at me. Could I possibly ask for more?
*barfs all over self*
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Abel Ferrara's "Pasolini" isn't a whole lot. Not really much to get excited about, but not also much to really criticize. You get hints of what an interesting man PPP would be to make a movie about, and the best moments are those where Dafoe spouts off his philosophy of art and love and politics and the hopelessness of mankind. But much of the actual film feels inert and incomplete. Until it suddenly ends in his violent death. Maybe this incompleteness makes it slightly more interesting. Or maybe it makes it more of a minor failure. I have trouble really finding any verdict towards it at all, which is a bit of an indictment, I guess.
Or maybe my brain just no longer works.
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Mike Leigh's BBC films are all on Criterion this month. Very nice. Good to see these wickedly underseen gems get a little more visibility. And extra good because I recently realized I lost my copy of Nuts in May
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And I don't think I've actually seen Who's Who, now that I'm looking at it....and never even heard of Home Sweet Home!
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"I want a moustache, dammit. I want to look like Burt Reynolds"
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Polaroid. Tarkovsky.
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Oh, RRR.
That movie is the fucking greatest.
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Hell yeah
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I do think it's sort of interesting the extent to which this has crossed over when popular Indian cinema hadn't been taken seriously in the west for the longest time. (I remember struggling to find any discussion back on RT, and the few times someone started a thread, it would undoubtedly be interrupted by people declaring all Bollywood* movies bad because they had songs, or something similarly illuminating.) Some of that is the movie itself (both its anti-colonial bent making it popular among left-leaning viewers** and its maximalist style serving as a direct rebuke to the limp, antiseptic style of the MCU and its ilk), but I'd wager the availability of non-arthouse Indian movies on streaming services has likely primed up western audiences for a breakout hit like this (and for what it's worth, this one is paced quite a bit better than the average Bollywood movie and while over the top, is less outright goofy than some of the more commonly gifed/memed Indian movies that entered western cinephile awareness).
*Yes, I'm aware that this isn't actually a Bollywood movie, but I do think it's a good point of comparison.
**I understand this has attracted some controversy in India for Hindu nationalist subtext. I'm not exactly tapped into this discussion and don't quite understand Indian politics (aside from Modi giving me bad vibes), but I do think it's worth noting that Rajamouli is an agnostic and some of his interest in Hindu imagery seems aesthetic. Think of him like Zack Snyder, but a much better filmmaker.
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I have to admit. The Bollywood songs are a pretty high hurdle for me, but it isn't any worse than most musicals in that regard. I'm not sure how many Bollywood films I've seen that didn't have Aishwarya Rai, but that's my own personal problem. At least RRR has songs that, well, aren't great but fun and, at least in translation, have some great lyrics. "Will there be bloodshed?", I goddamn hope so.
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I was able to tear myself away from the thread about Christian movies "that touched heart" long enough to notice your persisting love for Gummo, so I feel compelled to mention my six degrees of separation from it. I had no involvement whatsoever. I didn't have a car at the time. But you may know that it was filmed in Nashville (although there is an actual Xenia, Ohio). Rampop, as well, is familiar with the Guzacks (who play the skinheads) and Bryant the midget was a well-known entity around the West End area, frequently seen without shoes, bumming money for god knows what. I was trying with little success to get with a girl who was supplying the film with cats from a local shelter (the real cats, not the fake ones being harmed), but she was at the time living in a local ashram with some hairless dolt guru. I was working at a local video rental establishment (not Blockbuster), and had to cock-block the old fool by shooting down his suggestion for Babette's Feast (clearly trying to impress this lovely young woman) and going hard in the paint for Kurosawa's Dreams instead. When they returned it, they said they liked it. But there was a certain seethe behind his happy hippie eyes. Player recognizes game.
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Jinnistan wrote:
I was able to tear myself away from the thread about Christian movies "that touched heart" long enough to notice your persisting love for Gummo, so I feel compelled to mention my six degrees of separation from it. I had no involvement whatsoever. I didn't have a car at the time. But you may know that it was filmed in Nashville (although there is an actual Xenia, Ohio). Rampop, as well, is familiar with the Guzacks (who play the skinheads) and Bryant the midget was a well-known entity around the West End area, frequently seen without shoes, bumming money for god knows what. I was trying with little success to get with a girl who was supplying the film with cats from a local shelter (the real cats, not the fake ones being harmed), but she was at the time living in a local ashram with some hairless dolt guru. I was working at a local video rental establishment (not Blockbuster), and had to cock-block the old fool by shooting down his suggestion for Babette's Feast (clearly trying to impress this lovely young woman) and going hard in the paint for Kurosawa's Dreams instead. When they returned it, they said they liked it. But there was a certain seethe behind his happy hippie eyes. Player recognizes game.
I believe I remember you saying at some point you were around Korrine's general stomping grounds. From everything I've seen of him, he is a bunch like a few people I am sort of friends with. An amusing person to watch from a distance but generally untrustworthy. But like all untrustworthy people, as long as you know this about them, who cares. Just be sure not to trust them and you'll be fine.
As soon as you said the name Guzack, I was "I bet this is going to be the two bald kids punching eachother'. Great scene!
And that dwarf constantly pushing away Korrine's advances with his stern 'no's' always cracks me up. Great scene!
So many great scenes!
I love the movie from the bottom of my DNA strands. While there are a few moments here and there that don't really work for me, for a film that lives so much on the fringes in every single scene, its remarkable how perfectly hypnotic so much of it is.
He's never come close to it since. Donkeyboy is really good, but not Gummo. I didn't like Mister Lonely. I dont' even know what I thought about Trash Humpers. Spring Breakers is good but I haven't been loving it on rewatches. And I thought the Beach Bum was slightly crap.
But still, Gummo is enough to make an entire legend out of. And his Letterman appearances.
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And I imagine tonight will be a night of lots of erratic posting as I have rare day with the house to myself and I cannot be trusted to live in moderation while alone.
Either that or I'll pass out at 8 o clock.
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crumbsroom wrote:
I believe I remember you saying at some point you were around Korrine's general stomping grounds.
There aren't a whole lot of stomping grounds to choose from in Nashville for the hip social youngsters. The West End area is about the best place, where all of the colleges, the best book stores, the best restaurants and diners, the best art-house movie house, arguably the best music (Elliston Place), best record stores (Great Escape, Tower), definitely the best drugs (Dragon Park) and just generally the best mix of what the city has to culturally offer that doesn't include belt-buckles are located. Keep the tourists quarantined downtown, let them buy the expensive cowboy hats and boots and football tickets, bitter draft beer and square dance competitions. Make as much noise as you want, we can't hear your Hee Haw cosplay.
So it's true that we shared the West End stomping grounds, but I barely crossed paths with Korine. We share a handful of mutual friends, we attended adjacent high schools, he's a year older than myself, and by the time I was spending a lot of time in West End, he was already in New York writing Kids. He "got out" as the kids used to say. Korine, as you may be aware, had a Dylan-esque habit of making a whole lot of shit up about himself, and tried to slum himself off as a bit more downtrodden than he was. This "trash humping" tendency is clear in his films, but he lived in one of the nicer neighborhoods (Green Hills) and his father was a PBS producer. I may be wrong, and he'd deny it anyway, but I'm pretty sure he was class president for at least one of his high school years, as odd as that seems today. He's back in Nashville now, I believe, and last I heard (around 2008) he was shooting Budweiser commercials (which were never picked up) down at one of the city's finest dive bars, Springwater, with one of our mutual friends on banjo and another of West End's late street eccentrics, Dave Cloud.
And here's our mutual friend in his regular band.
crumbsroom wrote:
And his Letterman appearances.
And the great punchline of his appearances - getting a lifetime ban from the show for getting caught in the green room rummaging through Meryl Streep's purse. Devil's advocate: I bet Meryl has access to some fantastic pills.
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Jinnistan wrote:
Korine, as you may be aware, had a Dylan-esque habit of making a whole lot of shit up about himself, and tried to slum himself off as a bit more downtrodden than he was. This "trash humping" tendency is clear in his films, but he lived in one of the nicer neighborhoods (Green Hills) and his father was a PBS producer.
I don't think I know anything concrete about his background, but I've always assumed he's about as middle class as it gets. Being disaffected but with some kind of familial safety net is kind of the chemistry lab for so much of the riskiest, worst, most self indulgent, somtimes greatest art. I'm about as pure, unfiltered gutter trash as you can get in the blood, but because I was rescued from this by a very financially safe household, it does wonders for how little you consider the consequences of acting out on your worst anti-social impulses. I can see that in Gummo. You don't make Gummo if your entire life falls into financial ruin if it fails. Unless your a total madman, and Gummo is much too lucid to actually be made by one of those.
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Hace you seen his Fight Harm? That's a good example of being as obnoxious as possible by passing it off as avart garde street theater. Basically he starts fights on the street with random strangers, just really fucking with people until they finally get physical with him. Classic Korine.
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Jinnistan wrote:
Hace you seen his Fight Harm? That's a good example of being as obnoxious as possible by passing it off as avart garde street theater. Basically he starts fights on the street with random strangers, just really fucking with people until they finally get physical with him. Classic Korine.
That was even released?
It's very likely probably pointless, but I would definitely be on board that.
I've heard him try to draw allusions to his concept of this and the physical comedy of Buster Keaton and....it's obviously partially a bullshit pose, but not a completely untenable one. Which is almost Korrine's entire schtick. Producing something stupid and aggravating but making it seem profound or beautiful. He's an earnest huckster. Very much like a Dylan in personality and artistic temperment, like you mentioned.