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9/24/2022 3:51 pm  #181


Re: Watching Movies Alone with crumbsroom

My only point of vulnerability is that I’ve been getting my ass kicked in the song tournament. Even my shameless ploys to vote for my own songs in first place hasn’t been working lol


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9/24/2022 6:07 pm  #182


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Rock wrote:

My only point of vulnerability is that I’ve been getting my ass kicked in the song tournament. Even my shameless ploys to vote for my own songs in first place hasn’t been working lol

AT least half of them clearly hate everything I put up, so I rarely get much through a round. But I find it kind of funny just finding out exactly how much they hate each song. And then get to be surprised when they actually approve of one.

And while I obviously think they are Wrong (Karen Dalton coming last on half of their lists is like a fucking crime against society, even if I already knew most of them wouldn't be able to stand her voice), unlike those other competitions, its just nice not to have people griping about listening to genres they don't like or assume weird things are trolling or just be an annoying raul. It's totally cool for people to disagree and like different kinds of things.

Now I need to start considering if I want to torture everyone with My Name is Larry (by Wildman Fischer) or Nothing (by The Fugs) next. Those are guaranteed last placers.




 

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9/24/2022 9:29 pm  #183


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Bust out the Royal Trux and Boredoms and watch them try to run you off like Ueno.


 

9/24/2022 10:19 pm  #184


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crumbsroom wrote:

Wooley's a nice guy, and I should learn to play nicer with him because I know he's....delicate....but I get so frustrated by posters who rage against the terribleness of movies they don't like, but curl up and die when their favorites are similarly trashed.

Wooley does seem like a fresh young babe who hasn't yet discovered the fundamental fact that the internet has taught us, which is that someone somewhere is guaranteed to love and/or hate every little something regardless of wit or reason, and he does seem sincerely shocked, and even concerned, when he encounters someone with an opinion that runs against whatever prevailing consensus that he subscribes to.  Maybe dueling with the incel and flat-earth/simulation posters have dulled my sensitivities toward the median internet opinion of things, but I've learned to take it for granted that not everyone is going to be up for appreciating film on more than a "something to distract me for a couple of hours" level.  Wooley is a bit of a dinosaur in the sense that he seems to believe or even expect consensus on these things, and doesn't seem very curious about why anyone would be outside of that.  Also, I think I can definitely tell which posters are using their phones by those who can't engage in more intensive and specific discussion on a subject.

There's an analogy that I've used before.  I'm a casual fan of things like sports or cars.  I enjoy watching a good game with fine athletes; I have a fondness especially for early-60s Jags and Corvettes.  I may be slightly more knowledgeable about certain facts and aspects of these things than the average person, and definitely more than someone with little to no interest at all.  I was sad to see Bill Russell pass recently, and will mourn my beloved Kareem when the time comes.  I cannot give you any itemized stats from either, except that Kareem continues to hold the all-time highest scoring record in the NBA.  I know people who can tell you right now the starting five for every team in the league, who can break down the passing yards of every quarterback in football.  I know people who can explain the relative V8 torque between a Pontiac and a Chevy from 1971.  I cannot.  I respect the knowledge, I trust I have the capability and capacity to spend an afternoon researching if I cared to, but I simply don't have the inclination to learn such things.  That's fine.  I'm comfortble being merely a casual fan of these things. 

What I don't or wouldn't do is to find myself a forum for sports fans or car fans which is populated by well-learned and passionate people who could very easily break down all of the statistics and camshaft ramifications, and then in the face of that use my perch as a casual fan to tell them that they're all taking this shit way too seriously, to relax and just enjoy the distraction of the game for a couple of hours and then move on to more important things in their lives.  Even if you agree with that sentiment, you can see how condescending and patronizing this is, blithely relegating their particular passion as irrelevant and inessential, not just to me but to the presumable importance of life itself.  It's insulting, in fact.  Well, you may see where I'm going with this.  I kinda feel this way when, whether at RT or movie forums (but more rarely at Corrie) when I've encountered someone who, in the face of those acolytes to the depths of film appreciation that transcends far beyond the concern of the "casual movie fan", will attempt to dismiss this passion as obsession and minimizing its significance in the greater maw of God's insatiable furnace, blah blah, I'm sure you've heard the script.  Again, I respect people who are simply casual movie fans, and who are comfortable with their own personal priorities.  I don't respect casual fans who will then tell me I'm wrong about a complicated film, not because my reasons are faulty, but simply because I wasted all the time it took to express it at length.

This has nothing to do with Wooley at this point.  I think he mostly stuck to the Horrorcram thread and maybe the Black Lodge at RT, but he does seem of a certain echo chamber variety of internet user.  But at least RT had a stable balance of both.  It wasn't difficult to find more immersive and engaging discussion, on film and many other things, there.  But I was always annoyed by the...let's call them the Atomic Cows of the world...who would always respond to discussion of films that went beyond or against the service of pleasurable distraction with typical dismissals like "it's just a movie".  The presumption that there's one way to enjoy a film, and that's at the bare minimal brainwave, because, gosh, there's important real-life stuff to worry about, guys!  Anyway, that's movieforums in a bucket, and I probably should have posted this in the hate thread instead.


 

9/24/2022 10:20 pm  #185


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Jinnistan wrote:

Bust out the Royal Trux and Boredoms and watch them try to run you off like Ueno.

I've got a quality bit of misery lined up.

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9/24/2022 10:36 pm  #186


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crumbsroom wrote:

Jinnistan wrote:

Bust out the Royal Trux and Boredoms and watch them try to run you off like Ueno.

I've got a quality bit of misery lined up.

It was going to be Throbbing Gristle's "Persuasion". And I just can't do it. It's just too desperately uncomfortable a listen, even for me.

So....maybe "You Look Like a Jew" by Pussy Galore.
 

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9/24/2022 10:42 pm  #187


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A friendly Throbbing Gristle track, just for you cunts.



 

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9/24/2022 10:55 pm  #188


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Jinnistan wrote:

crumbsroom wrote:

Wooley's a nice guy, and I should learn to play nicer with him because I know he's....delicate....but I get so frustrated by posters who rage against the terribleness of movies they don't like, but curl up and die when their favorites are similarly trashed.

Wooley does seem like a fresh young babe who hasn't yet discovered the fundamental fact that the internet has taught us, which is that someone somewhere is guaranteed to love and/or hate every little something regardless of wit or reason, and he does seem sincerely shocked, and even concerned, when he encounters someone with an opinion that runs against whatever prevailing consensus that he subscribes to.  Maybe dueling with the incel and flat-earth/simulation posters have dulled my sensitivities toward the median internet opinion of things, but I've learned to take it for granted that not everyone is going to be up for appreciating film on more than a "something to distract me for a couple of hours" level.  Wooley is a bit of a dinosaur in the sense that he seems to believe or even expect consensus on these things, and doesn't seem very curious about why anyone would be outside of that.  Also, I think I can definitely tell which posters are using their phones by those who can't engage in more intensive and specific discussion on a subject.

There's an analogy that I've used before.  I'm a casual fan of things like sports or cars.  I enjoy watching a good game with fine athletes; I have a fondness especially for early-60s Jags and Corvettes.  I may be slightly more knowledgeable about certain facts and aspects of these things than the average person, and definitely more than someone with little to no interest at all.  I was sad to see Bill Russell pass recently, and will mourn my beloved Kareem when the time comes.  I cannot give you any itemized stats from either, except that Kareem continues to hold the all-time highest scoring record in the NBA.  I know people who can tell you right now the starting five for every team in the league, who can break down the passing yards of every quarterback in football.  I know people who can explain the relative V8 torque between a Pontiac and a Chevy from 1971.  I cannot.  I respect the knowledge, I trust I have the capability and capacity to spend an afternoon researching if I cared to, but I simply don't have the inclination to learn such things.  That's fine.  I'm comfortble being merely a casual fan of these things. 

What I don't or wouldn't do is to find myself a forum for sports fans or car fans which is populated by well-learned and passionate people who could very easily break down all of the statistics and camshaft ramifications, and then in the face of that use my perch as a casual fan to tell them that they're all taking this shit way too seriously, to relax and just enjoy the distraction of the game for a couple of hours and then move on to more important things in their lives.  Even if you agree with that sentiment, you can see how condescending and patronizing this is, blithely relegating their particular passion as irrelevant and inessential, not just to me but to the presumable importance of life itself.  It's insulting, in fact.  Well, you may see where I'm going with this.  I kinda feel this way when, whether at RT or movie forums (but more rarely at Corrie) when I've encountered someone who, in the face of those acolytes to the depths of film appreciation that transcends far beyond the concern of the "casual movie fan", will attempt to dismiss this passion as obsession and minimizing its significance in the greater maw of God's insatiable furnace, blah blah, I'm sure you've heard the script.  Again, I respect people who are simply casual movie fans, and who are comfortable with their own personal priorities.  I don't respect casual fans who will then tell me I'm wrong about a complicated film, not because my reasons are faulty, but simply because I wasted all the time it took to express it at length.

This has nothing to do with Wooley at this point.  I think he mostly stuck to the Horrorcram thread and maybe the Black Lodge at RT, but he does seem of a certain echo chamber variety of internet user.  But at least RT had a stable balance of both.  It wasn't difficult to find more immersive and engaging discussion, on film and many other things, there.  But I was always annoyed by the...let's call them the Atomic Cows of the world...who would always respond to discussion of films that went beyond or against the service of pleasurable distraction with typical dismissals like "it's just a movie".  The presumption that there's one way to enjoy a film, and that's at the bare minimal brainwave, because, gosh, there's important real-life stuff to worry about, guys!  Anyway, that's movieforums in a bucket, and I probably should have posted this in the hate thread instead.

All of this pretty much pinpoints my aggravation.

I can have a completely lucid conversation about what people actually might be getting out of (for convenient example) X. Because I know, at least the gyst of, what they are enjoying.

I also don't expect them to come to terms with what I am getting out of some trash piece of shit. But I also almost kill myself to explain what I find beautiful and essential in the garbage I love. And to have it constantly responded to time and time and time again as if I need to focus on what they think is important or (even worse) that they straight out distrust my intentions by showing my love for something they just asume is idiotic, becomes astonishingly offensive after decades of the same same same same same shit.

And then they wonder when I get snippy about the half assed stuff they want to deify. Yes, I absolutely push back on that. Because I'm so tired of it. How could I not be. The entire world is trying to push that into my ears and eyes. And it's not like they can't combat my shit talking anyways. Just say something smarter or better. That's how debate works. You don't have to just roll over and die. Just show me your love like I showed you mine.

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9/25/2022 2:18 am  #189


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crumbsroom wrote:

Rock wrote:

My only point of vulnerability is that I’ve been getting my ass kicked in the song tournament. Even my shameless ploys to vote for my own songs in first place hasn’t been working lol

AT least half of them clearly hate everything I put up, so I rarely get much through a round. But I find it kind of funny just finding out exactly how much they hate each song. And then get to be surprised when they actually approve of one.

And while I obviously think they are Wrong (Karen Dalton coming last on half of their lists is like a fucking crime against society, even if I already knew most of them wouldn't be able to stand her voice), unlike those other competitions, its just nice not to have people griping about listening to genres they don't like or assume weird things are trolling or just be an annoying raul. It's totally cool for people to disagree and like different kinds of things.

Now I need to start considering if I want to torture everyone with My Name is Larry (by Wildman Fischer) or Nothing (by The Fugs) next. Those are guaranteed last placers.




 

Honestly, I’ve liked the majority of what people have posted (although the boy bands and modern country have definitely been endurance tests). And I’m pretty happy that I’ve discovered a few new tunes I really like (which was my primary goal in signing up for this).

I just want to win at least one round lol


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9/25/2022 2:24 am  #190


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Is Wooley actually hurt? I just assumed that’s how he talked. I remember him using similar phrasing in past discussions with me, and I don’t think he actually took our disagreements personally. I dunno, he seems like a pretty nice guy but there’s been nothing in particular to suggest he’s that thin skinned. Although he’s mentioned a few times he didn’t care for the amount of drama back on RT (which is fair).

Was Cow the guy who argued that a movie was automatically good if it made a lot of money, no matter what he felt about its qualities personally? I remember BadLieutenant or somebody like that took him to task for that argument.


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9/25/2022 2:38 am  #191


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I should mention that I rarely engage in a back and forth that goes beyond two or three posts, so things rarely escalate to an actually heated point. I suppose my garbage debating skills have served me well unintentionally.


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9/25/2022 3:24 am  #192


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Rock wrote:

Was Cow the guy who argued that a movie was automatically good if it made a lot of money, no matter what he felt about its qualities personally? I remember BadLieutenant or somebody like that took him to task for that argument.

That wouldn't be surprising.  He had something of that populist streak, that a film that makes money has served its primary purpose in broadly pleasing the most people.  He always championed those kinds of films that have superficially pleasing qualities, no-brainers.  He was very supportive of recent entertainment trends of using algorithms and demographic analysis to determine creative decisions because, as far as he was concerned, that just meant they were getting better at pleasing more people.  And he was especially hostile to more difficult films that required more reflection and attention.  He tended to have a demeaning attitude towards "art" as such, and had a suspicion that fans of art-films were either being duped or deluding themselves because of some kind of inferiority complex (I smell some projection here).  He assumed that fans of more obscure or unpopular films were mostly motivated by contrarianism.  Etc, etc.  And he would leverage these opinions based on his "insider" perspective, because he claimed to work for a production studio, working in either props or art design or something.  We debated a number of films (and the merits or not of Taylor Swift), but the longest exchange was probably the one on Tree of Life, a film I don't mind defending, which also had Ergill jumping in to help, but Cow just felt it was empty stylistic wankery, like a long perfume ad he said, and couldn't comprehend at all why anyone would find something there of interest, so he assumed, and repeatedly asserted, that its fans were fooled by simply being impressed with the perception of its grandiosity.  This is how he approached most films on that level.

But that wasn't quite the worst thing about him.  As the incel-related drama unfolded, around 2014-15, it became known that Cow was also a part of the PUA (Pick Up Artist) community, a smaller shard of the Redpill folks.  Cow always denied any misogyny, saying that it was just a helpful, and effective!, way to learn how to talk to girls.  Never mind that it's entirely based on the inherent presumption that women are dumb, easy to manipulate and secretly desire for a man to control them.

Rock wrote:

I should mention that I rarely engage in a back and forth that goes beyond two or three posts, so things rarely escalate to an actually heated point. I suppose my garbage debating skills have served me well unintentionally.

It's a shame that such lengthy exchanges get the bad rap of being antagonistic.  Certainly plenty are (Yarn), but I've had a fair share of more productive back-and-forth text-wall posts that went for a few pages that I'd like to think was a benefit to all involved.  I'm also not as disciplined to resist the more antagonistic dances as well though.


 

9/25/2022 3:36 am  #193


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Rock wrote:

crumbsroom wrote:

Rock wrote:

My only point of vulnerability is that I’ve been getting my ass kicked in the song tournament. Even my shameless ploys to vote for my own songs in first place hasn’t been working lol

AT least half of them clearly hate everything I put up, so I rarely get much through a round. But I find it kind of funny just finding out exactly how much they hate each song. And then get to be surprised when they actually approve of one.

And while I obviously think they are Wrong (Karen Dalton coming last on half of their lists is like a fucking crime against society, even if I already knew most of them wouldn't be able to stand her voice), unlike those other competitions, its just nice not to have people griping about listening to genres they don't like or assume weird things are trolling or just be an annoying raul. It's totally cool for people to disagree and like different kinds of things.

Now I need to start considering if I want to torture everyone with My Name is Larry (by Wildman Fischer) or Nothing (by The Fugs) next. Those are guaranteed last placers.




 

Honestly, I’ve liked the majority of what people have posted (although the boy bands and modern country have definitely been endurance tests). And I’m pretty happy that I’ve discovered a few new tunes I really like (which was my primary goal in signing up for this).

I just want to win at least one round lol

But yes, the absence of the more toxic posters definitely helps things.


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9/25/2022 3:43 am  #194


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Yeah, I don’t have anything against lengthy exchanges in theory, and I know certain posters like Ergill prefer the format. I’m just personally very bad at it and prefer to read from the sidelines. Whatever I have to say about a movie I usually suss out in a review and maybe one or two follow up posts. After that point I rarely have anything to add.


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9/25/2022 3:49 am  #195


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Finally had a song make it through. Allahu Akbar.


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9/25/2022 3:59 am  #196


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For the record, I am not above voting for my own song first in the finals.


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9/25/2022 12:22 pm  #197


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Rock wrote:

Is Wooley actually hurt? I just assumed that’s how he talked. I remember him using similar phrasing in past discussions with me, and I don’t think he actually took our disagreements personally. I dunno, he seems like a pretty nice guy but there’s been nothing in particular to suggest he’s that thin skinned. Although he’s mentioned a few times he didn’t care for the amount of drama back on RT (which is fair).

Was Cow the guy who argued that a movie was automatically good if it made a lot of money, no matter what he felt about its qualities personally? I remember BadLieutenant or somebody like that took him to task for that argument.

I don't think there is any lasting hurt. And I don't think he holds any grudges. But I just keep getting the sense with him that it genuinely upsets him if people hate on things he really likes. He's even admitted as much saying he's an 'empath' (fuck I hate that term) and things affect him very deeply.

Of course it is sometimes hard to read intentions in posts. But, he generally moves very quickly to seeming inquisitive as to why someone doesn't like a movie he loves, to seeming frazzled and concerned once anyone starts being very clear about what are faults. Like, he thinks he's being judged because it didn't occur to him that something may have been executed poorly. He just shuts down and puts walls up against the discussion and starts really rambling and making less and less sense.

Now, I'm not opposed to the idea of people really identifying with the movies they love. I definitely do. But the main reason I go after him more than others I may disagree with is he can be so virulent with his hate for movies he doesnt like (which he should be, who wants to have a conversation with someone who isn't empassioned about what they are talking about), but than seems offended if his loves aren't taken as gospel. I can't help poking that hornets best, even though I sometimes feel bad if he takes it too personally. Which I sort of got glimmers with in our X discussion.

But who knows. Maybe I'm totally off base. But ever since he showed so much hostility towards the artist who shit talked their own work, and how he thought it was literally a disgusting thing to do to fans who might feel they've been duped if the artist calls a movie they love crap, it seemed like a real tell that he's very worried he might have the 'wrong' opinion on things. Because who cares what the artist says. Or me. Or Ebert. These things should never ever get between a person and what they like. Ever.

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9/25/2022 12:24 pm  #198


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Ugh, Atomic Cow. I forget about that negging shit he bragged about. I definitely got on his case as well and it really colored my opinion of him. Before that I just thought he was a guy with the worst philosophy towards art on planet earth. Annoying but not gross. But he was gross.

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10/01/2022 1:53 am  #199


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4/5

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10/07/2022 11:41 am  #200


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Guys, I have to admit.  I didn't care for Strange Behavior.


 

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