Posted by Jinnistan ![]() 1/24/2023 9:08 pm | #1 |
Another bland rollout for the Oscar nominees. Here's some of my initial reactions:
Looks like I'm pretty much Team-Tar this year, because that's really the only film I care much for that was nominated.
Was Babylon really that bad? I've heard the reviews are a little stagnant, but that seemed to me like a shoe-in given it's stars and spectacle and Hollywood self-absorption. Could it be worse than.....Elvis?
Clearly Blonde was too toxic in this post-Dobbs climate, but Armas got a consolation nom. Everything else got Razzies.
Everything Everywhere All At Once did well except....nothing for its visual effects? I thought that was one of the main draws?
RRR got snubbed for Best Picture. It would have been a nice gesture. Also, the visual effects seems a no-brainer, but, hey, got to give Batman something. Instead they just give it a song nom so they can juice it for a great stage spectacle.
Triangle of Sadness was a turd, but the worst insult is giving it a writing nom. Are they really prepared to defend that ending?
It seems that a lot of the bad press concerning the historical inaccuracies, and overall ill-conceived wokeness, of The Woman King has caught up to it. Shut out.
Am I going to have to watch this remake of All Quiet?
Posted by Rock ![]() 1/24/2023 10:57 pm | #2 |
A few quick takes on the noms:
I haven't seen most of the movies lol. That being said, all the reactions I saw to All Quiet on the Western Front and Women Talking were lukewarm at best, so a little surprised to see them nominated. I will say it's nice that the blockbusters on the list (Avatar, Top Gun) are actually well made movies instead of some token Marvel pandering.
I guess it's nice that Everything Everywhere All At Once got a bunch of noms, and I can't begrudge most of them, but I genuinely thought Stephanie Hsu was very bad in the movie. I liked the movie enough, but she stuck out like a sore thumb.
I read an article listing a Best Picture nom for the Black Panther sequel as one of the biggest snubs, but did anybody actually like that movie?
Posted by Jinnistan ![]() 1/24/2023 11:55 pm | #3 |
Rock wrote:
That being said, all the reactions I saw to All Quiet on the Western Front and Women Talking were lukewarm at best, so a little surprised to see them nominated.
All Quiet honestly looks more like a remake of 1917 than the classic 1930 film. And I don't mean that as a compliment. Women Talking just has a really awful title. I know it's the name of the book it's based on, but urgh, it sounds like parody of Oscar-bait. "Hey George, what to go see Thundergun?" "Well, Susan really wants to see Women Talking..."
Rock wrote:
I will say it's nice that the blockbusters on the list (Avatar, Top Gun) are actually well made movies instead of some token Marvel pandering.
But is Top Gun really deserving of a writing nom?
Rock wrote:
I read an article listing a Best Picture nom for the Black Panther sequel as one of the biggest snubs, but did anybody actually like that movie?
Well, at least they're not mad about Woman King, I guess. I haven't seen Nope either. I just don't think we should have to wait on Hollywood studios to make these quality representative films. But, alluding to Women Talking, I saw where a women's rights group is already protesting the lack of a female director monination. But again, the examples being mentioned (Woman King, Don't Worry Darling) don't strike me as worthy. I guess Aftersun is getting good notes.
Looking over at the comments on movieforums, it's not surprising to see how many of their opinions and predictions have nothing to do with the films themselves. You have both "Angela Bassett deserves to win because it's time", and "Angela Bassett is going to win because she's the only black person nominated" (heh, no politics!). Or "I hope Austin Butler wins because of Lisa Marie", or "I hope Brendan Fraser wins because his acceptance speech will make me cry". Or Cate Blanchett shouldn't win because "she already has two Oscars". I'm sure this is unfortunately the kind of metrics that a lot of people, and likely Oscar voters, will use to determine the winners.
Posted by Jinnistan ![]() 1/25/2023 3:33 pm | #4 |
Another film getting snubbed is also getting some identity political protest, Till, about Emmett Till's mother, has been receiving positive reviews, and was awarded by the National Board of Review earlier this year as one of its top ten films of the year. (Although they also awarded more questionable films like Glass Onion and Woman King while ignoring Tar entirely.) We can add Till to the list of worthy snubs this year, but it does seem a little uncouth to steer directly into conspiracy territory. The director of Till is publicly blaming the Academy for "upholding whiteness" and "perpetuating an unabashed misogyny towards Black women". Unfortunately, these kinds of parallel woke/anti-woke grievances are going to be just a routine ritual going forward as all of the various parties try to work the refs over whatever perceived slights each year as the award season rolls around, but clearly there's plenty of annoying hyperbole on both sides of this demographic crunch.
I want to repeat some of my earlier comments about Woman King here though. Again, I haven't seen the film, so these criticisms are solely based on its historical perversions. TheRoot's Shanelle Genai has been outspoken on her outrage concerning this film's snub. I don't doubt that she had a good time at the theater watching the film. I don't see a whole lot of evidence that Genai has much appreciation for cinema outside of a form of ethnic representation however (her highest superlative of the film is that it is "beautifully melantated"). I should point out that Genai is not a film critic, and I don't want to hold her to the standard of one. She's an "entertainment writer" with a focus on "celebrity news and pop culture". But I do think that her articles on the issues regarding this film and its controversies over its historical integrity are worth highlighting as a way to show how precarious, even insidious, this balance between fact and fiction can be among, say, more casual movie consumers, or perhaps more casual consumers of history as well, in forming certain historical myths. Basically, it isn't a question of liberties of narrative convenience, it's a question of liberties for socio-political convenience, and we shouldn't confuse these two things.
It's simply not honest for Genai to reduce the criticisms of the film to complaining about "sanitization of atrocities or historical inaccuracies of a fictional film". That's sleight-of-hand on a grandpa pulling a quarter out of ear level. This "fictional film" is heavily invested in the legitimacy of its historical basis. The reason why the film provides an effective vicarious sense of empowerment among its black female audience is precisely because, unlike Black Panther, the Agojie warriors were an actual example of powerful black women "with skills and a fierceness unlike anything the world has ever seen". The film is inspirational because it is set in the real world, to the extent that Genai remarks "it was almost hard to remember this was a fictional tale". But the problem is that many people will not remember that. And when Genai points out that "I hope we’re ready to apply this across the board to other white projects that have been inspired by moments in history that fall short of holistically depicting what actually happened", it suggests that Genai must be unaware of the fact that there are dozens of "white" historical films that have also been heavily criticized for essentially the same issues for exactly the same reasons - because people end up believing the cinema myths. (That the only example of this she can bring up is Titanic is pretty telling of her lack of cinema experience.)
Star Viola Davis has said, "Most of the story is fictionalized. It has to be." Yes, there are necessary constrictions on a two-hour narrative. That Davis' character is a fictional construct doesn't bother me. Making a single Portugese slave-trader the consolidated face of Europeans doesn't even bother me that much. Rather let's look at specific liberties and why they were taken. Genai says, "Cries against its glamourization of the intra-racial participation in the slave trade aside ... you would’ve seen that they actually addressed this." Yes, apparently it is "addressed". Not that it stopped anything. But, I guess, at one point in the film one character says to another, "Hey maybe it's a little fucked up what a huge portion of our economy is devoted to capturing our neighbors and selling them into slavery", but it doesn't appear to go any deeper than that, nor would it have been honest for them to do so. The historical fact is clear on this. The extent to which the Agojie rebelled against the Oyo Empire (as depicted in the film), it was for control of this lucrative slave trade, not to stop it. For me, this isn't some minor discrepancy, and it's made even more vulgar given that the film creating this enormous historical distortion is doing so in the name of so-called progressive inspiration. That steps from mere inaccuracy into fraud.
I've already mentioned the annual ceremonies performed by the Agojie, where imitation slave raids were performed, and excess slave captives (from 500 to 4000) were sacrificed by beheading. Woman King, naturally, omits these inconvenient details of their culture. I understand, only two hours, can't show everything! But let's be honest. This was whitewashed, because the film no longer becomes poltically acceptable if they were to acknowledge these facts. This isn't "edu-tainment", it's propaganda. Viola Davis continues with her (contractually obligated?) defense of the film, becoming more and more ludicrous with each sentence:
Part of the story that hit me as an artist was these women were unwanted. They were recruited between the ages of eight and 14. They were the women who were not considered desirable. No one wanted to marry them. They were unruly. They were recruited by the King to fight for the kingdom of Dahomey. They were not allowed to marry or have children. The ones who refused the call were beheaded.
Interesting how quickly that turned on itself. Were these women "unwanted" for marriage, or were they not allowed to marry? Let's consider this "recruitment" process. Clearly, with the axe nearby, this was not consensual empowerment as we may choose to understand it today. In fact, they sound like slaves. It becomes impossible to appreciate the film as a message of black woman empowerment if any of this is clearly dealt with honestly.
And that's why the film is worse than inaccurate, it's dishonest. It's a willful calculated fabrication, shielded by a false historical pretense, in order to exploit current political feelings with myths of authenticity. It's exactly what "woke" has been accused of doing, and it will only jeopardize any truly progressive mission of inclusion and understanding going forward.
Posted by Jinnistan ![]() 3/04/2023 7:24 pm | #5 |
Everything Everywhere All At Once swept the Independent Spirit Awards.
The Spirits don't really reflect much on the Oscars usually, but given all the accumulated momentum, I'm seeing a sad night for Team Tar on the horizon.
Posted by Jinnistan ![]() 3/04/2023 7:27 pm | #6 |
I'm not a fan of the removal of gendered acting categories, which both the Indies and the BAFTAs have done this year. The net effect is that two fewer actors receive an award, which is just petty. I mean, why don't we do away with all of the categories and just award the Best Film? Because we want to see as many people as possible given credit!
Posted by crumbsroom ![]() 3/04/2023 9:39 pm | #7 |
Jinnistan wrote:
I'm not a fan of the removal of gendered acting categories, which both the Indies and the BAFTAs have done this year. The net effect is that two fewer actors receive an award, which is just petty. I mean, why don't we do away with all of the categories and just award the Best Film? Because we want to see as many people as possible given credit!
By removing gender from acting categories, are they assuming women actors are now getting as many interesting roles as men, thereby levelling the playing field for who might get an award for playing a really interesting character?
I sometimes don't think these people who make decisions on dumb matters like this understand fucking anything.
Posted by Jinnistan ![]() 3/04/2023 9:52 pm | #8 |
"The whole thing is a goddamn meat parade." - George C. Scott
I don't want to abolish award recognition entirely, but we shouldn't get caught up in chopping up all of our categories. Maybe a more expansive itinerary is preferable to a constricted one.
(And I'm still a little hot that Little Big Man didn't even get a nod that year.)
Posted by Rock ![]() 3/04/2023 10:45 pm | #9 |
Jinnistan wrote:
Everything Everywhere All At Once swept the Independent Spirit Awards.
The Spirits don't really reflect much on the Oscars usually, but given all the accumulated momentum, I'm seeing a sad night for Team Tar on the horizon.
Not that I particularly care about awards, but Tar is a substantially better movie than Everything Everywhere, a movie that the most annoying people on the planet seem to have latched onto both for and against, and no matter the outcome, I imagine you'll get a lot of VERY annoying takes about why it did or didn't win.
As for my opinion on the movie, I think it has some very good performances, and I'm glad to see Yeoh and Quan getting recognition, but also a very bad one in Stephanie Hsu, who seems to have been grouped into the good performances by proximity. It's also a visually creative movie, but to a fault, because once anything can happen in the movie and it never bothers to set clear rules, nothing that happens actually matters, which becomes a little annoying when you realize how obvious the message is. I'd rate the movie a 6 or 7, but my underwhelmed but basically positive response seems to be in the minority
Posted by Jinnistan ![]() 3/12/2023 4:20 pm | #10 |
Daniel Kwan, one of the directors of Everything Everywhere All At Once, issued a statement today pleading with his fans to not set anything on fire if the film doesn't win. Which is good advice. In fact, I'm hard pressed to think about a time when any Oscar ceremony resulted in mass mayhem. But why would this year be any different? It wouldn't be because of the multiple headlines I've seen this week suggesting that if EEAAO doesn't win an Oscar that it would be an insult against the entire Asian community?
Twitter has broken civilization.
Posted by crumbsroom ![]() 3/12/2023 5:15 pm | #11 |
I have close to zero interest in seeing Everything Everywhere. I do like the comeback Quan narrative, but everything else just looks like the kind of try-hard bombast that impresses those who need a movie to keep punching them in the face to be noticed. That makes them think they are witnessing the birth of a new Citizen Kane, not quite grasping why Kane's technical innovations actually mattered.
Like, I'm sure I will see it at some point. And it definitely might be alright. But who cares.
Tried to watch the Tar link, and it was working until I paused it for a bit. And it hasn't worked since. Oh well, I'm sure it will be available somewhere eventually.
Posted by Jinnistan ![]() 3/12/2023 5:30 pm | #12 |
"A bit"? Are we talking hours here?
I'd like to see EEAAO eventually, but, I have to admit, part of my reluctance is that I was not fond of their previous Swiss Army Man film. It seems to me that the new one has the fortune of being in that sweet spot of overlapping audience pleasing (has a lot of cool martial arts fight scenes) and vaguely heady conceits (its whole Zen perspective) that allows it to conjoin the populists with the elitists. Making it a fairly safe choice for Oscar-worthiness.
Tar was much more provocative and challenging, and, as revealed this week with *anonymous* voters speaking to the press, there were a lot of Oscar voters who didn't particularly like the film because, maybe, it goes some ways into deflating that whole urban NPR pretense of cultural entitlement. And I don't mean "that scene" with the kid who won't listen to Bach either. I mean that Lydia Tar inhabits the cultural inferiority complex that fuels a lot of the metro liberal arts crowd. But rather than a right-wing screed against, say, the NEA or something, it's a thoughtful and disturbing reflection of liberal ideals. Too thoughtful for the Oscars this year, who have shown themselves willing to pander to the kinds of films that are putting asses back in seats in our post-Covid economy.
Posted by Rock ![]() 3/12/2023 6:22 pm | #13 |
Just gonna dig up this classic bit of Oscar history.
Posted by Rock ![]() 3/12/2023 6:26 pm | #14 |
As far as audience pandering go, Avatar and Top Gun are quite a bit better than Everything Everywhere by virtue of imbuing actual consequence to their proceedings. Also much better on a spectacle front, tbh.
Posted by Jinnistan ![]() 3/12/2023 6:27 pm | #15 |
That's right. I'm sitting here. I'm a-watch this shit. Don't try to stop to stop me.
I'm soliciting the hottest of takes. There's no fear of Twitter clap-back here. Come with it. Malice is encouraged. Full Chris Rock. That's what the value of the popcorn gallery is supposed to mean. Be mean to these bitches. Heckle and sneer. Throwing feces. Punching up.
Posted by Jinnistan ![]() 3/12/2023 7:20 pm | #16 |
Congratulations crumbs. Your Marcel hate has cost it the Oscar. I hope you're happy.
Posted by Jinnistan ![]() 3/12/2023 7:31 pm | #17 |
Short Round definitely got molested at some point.
Posted by Jinnistan ![]() 3/12/2023 7:36 pm | #18 |
Running a bet on wardrobe malfunction - it's neck and neck between Ariana DeBose and Janelle Monae.
Posted by Jinnistan ![]() 3/12/2023 7:37 pm | #19 |
Dare I say that JLC's win is a legacy nod?
Posted by Jinnistan ![]() 3/12/2023 7:45 pm | #20 |
Rolex: "It's cinema"
Yeah, but it's a watch though.