Posted by Rampop II ![]() 5/14/2022 5:22 pm | #1 |
While countless films are lost forever (eg to fire, war, and deterioration), others still exist but languish in darkness. Tied up in legal disputes, suppressed over petty grudges, sat on, de-prioritized, forgotten, or just lost in the shuffle, they remain absent from the modern treasure trove of digitized and restored cinema. We discuss them here.
Posted by crumbsroom ![]() 5/14/2022 10:43 pm | #2 |
I am obviously still very much in need of Jerry Lewis marching children towards their terrible fate with a smile painted on his face and a dance in his pants. But I assume this opinion is a given and not even worth drawing any attention to.
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Posted by Jinnistan ![]() 5/15/2022 12:47 am | #3 |
Relatively speaking, this is going to be a challenge, because this is such a great era of reclamation and restoration. The many labels betted about, from Arrow to Vinegar Syndrome to Severin, committed to polishing the obscure forgotten nuggets. But surely there do remain many casualties (still no Heartbreak Kid reissue ), it's almost exponentially promising to have seen such a renaissance in our age of digital video - the Jodorowskys, Valerie and Her Week of Wonder, all that great Czech New Wave, Eyes of Goddamn Fire - it's really remarkable to also marvel at the resurrection rate as well. But, sure, plenty of work still needs to be done. But in all objective historical comparative context, we're in something of a cinema Eden at the moment, truth be told.
Posted by Rampop II ![]() 5/15/2022 5:47 am | #4 |
EXTERMINATED CINEMA
FREAKED:
The case of the Missing Zygrot 24
Alex Winter's $12 million directorial debut and instant cult classic Freaked, produced by 20th Century Fox, almost didn't get made. Then it barely got distributed. Then the only surviving print was almost destroyed. Official physical copies of Freaked remain out–of print and can fetch hundreds of dollars on the collectors’ market.
“Initially pegged as a mainstream comedy by Fox — with a planned wide release that included action figures and a Gap campaign skewering posters — the film was basically dumped by Fox after head Joe Roth, who had greenlit the project, left the studio, but it picked up raves at TIFF and has been winning fans over ever since.”
—Indiewire, January 2012
In the January 2012 interview with IndieWire, Winter revealed several insights about the troubled history of Freaked. The film originally had the blessing of 20th Century Fox chairman Joe Roth, who was known to greenlight avant–garde projects like Naked Lunch and Barton Fink, and Freaked had generated significant buzz in the Hollywood world. All that changed when [url=https://www.nytimes.com/1992/11/03/arts/joe-roth-leaving-fox-for-a-deal-with-disney.html#:~:text=Rupert%20Murdoch%2C%20the%20chairman%20of,of%20the%20Fox%20Television%20network.]Joe Roth stepped down as chairman of Fox for a job with Disney[/url]. Rupert Murdoch promptly replaced Roth with Peter Chernin, who didn't share Roth's appreciation for the weird project. Shooting of Freaked was already complete, but the film's post–production and advertising budget were slashed. Following its well–received debut at Toronto Film Festival, the $12 million film premiered in only two US theaters and ended up making less than $30k at the box office.
From the IndieWire interview:
“The problem is, the guy who ran the studio left and you can’t make a movie this idiosyncratic without a lot of high level support. It was over in an afternoon. If Joe [Roth] had left three weeks earlier this movie never would have been done. But we never got released. Tom and I released it by ourselves and self distributed it all over the world by ourselves with one poster and one print.” Winter went on to describe how they would go to each theater at the end of the film’s run and ask for the print and poster back so they could book it at the next location.
Freaked got a VHS rental release in 1994 and found much of its wider fan base in the mid–late 90s when it frequently played on HBO and Starz. It then gained a reputation for being very hard to find. Anchor Bay offered some relief in 2005 when they released a 2 DVD box set of Freaked. Only a few years later that DVD set was out–of print and fetching high prices on collectors’ markets. An unopened copy today can set a collector back $300.
The IndieWire piece continues:
…for years, repertory houses couldn’t book the film because Fox claimed they didn’t have a print. When one finally turned up in the Midwest, it was about to be “exterminated” until Phil Blankenship from the New Beverly Cinema in L.A. stepped in.
“About a year ago [2011], the guys at the New Beverly in L.A., who I know really well, were trying to show the movie,” Winter said. “And I was like, ‘There’s no print, it doesn’t exist.’ It turned out that Phil Blankenship, who runs the New Beverly, who’s a total God in the world of repertory cinema, found a guy in the Midwest who worked at a place where, basically movies go to die. They exterminate negatives and the day after Phil called me and I [told him] there’s no print, he called me and said, ‘Dude, they’re going to exterminate ‘Freaked!’ [I said] ‘What do you mean?’ [Phil] was like, ‘My friend says it’s like the dog pound [for films]. They wanted me to exterminate ‘Freaked!’ but luckily he was a cool guy so [instead] he stole it.”
The year following this interview, Anchor Bay released Freaked on Blu–ray, but that copy is now also out–of print and can cost about $200 on the collectors’ market. A Spanish all–region Blu–ray import can now be seen advertised on the Intertubes for around $40, but I have no idea as to its legitimacy.
The easiest way to see a high–quality transfer of Freaked these days is to watch it on YouTube for free, but it can also sometimes be found in the back alleys of Torrentistan.
I won't say you absolutely must see Freaked, but, no wait, yeah I will. You absolutely must see Freaked, featuring giant eyeballs with machine guns, trolls falling from airplanes, a human slug, Mr. T as the Bearded Lady, Bobcat Goldthwait as Sock Head, Alex Winter as the Hollywood sleaze, and Randy Quaid in one of the most memorable performances of his career as Elijah C. Skuggs, merciless mad scientist and proprietor of the most hideous mutant freak show in the nation of Santa Flan. The soundtrack scorches with the likes of Bill Laswell, Parliament/Funkadelic, Henry Rollins, Blind Idiot God, and the Butthole Surfers. The soundtrack was released on vinyl in 2020 and retails for $50. And as of this printing, a retail copy of the film in any form physical or digital remains off the table.
Hopefully we will be able to close this case file when Freaked sees the light of day once again, but if you can’t wait to see it, just bake some macaroons, settle in, and click below…
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Posted by Rampop II ![]() 5/15/2022 6:06 pm | #5 |
crumbsroom wrote:
I am obviously still very much in need of Jerry Lewis marching children towards their terrible fate with a smile painted on his face and a dance in his pants. But I assume this opinion is a given and not even worth drawing any attention to.
What's the Jerry Lewis thing?
Posted by crumbsroom ![]() 5/15/2022 8:49 pm | #6 |
Rampop II wrote:
crumbsroom wrote:
I am obviously still very much in need of Jerry Lewis marching children towards their terrible fate with a smile painted on his face and a dance in his pants. But I assume this opinion is a given and not even worth drawing any attention to.
What's the Jerry Lewis thing?
Posted by Rampop II ![]() 5/15/2022 10:02 pm | #7 |
Ah, thanks.
Posted by Rampop II ![]() 5/21/2022 1:05 am | #8 |
crumbsroom wrote:
Jerry Lewis marching children towards their terrible fate with a smile painted on his face and a dance in his pants..
I read up on this. Holy crap I'm scared to watch that!
So, it might get a screening at the LOC after June 2024? Sounds like asses in seats to me. Or can the script's authors still keep it from public view?
Concentration camp movies give me the shivers. I haven't even watched Schindler's List. I remember that WWII documentary series The World at War seemed to always be playing when I was a kid in the 80s. I assume it just aired multiple times throughout my childhood but it felt like that series was always around. Lurking. Ready to draw hapless channel–surfers into its grainy grey grimness.
That... that violin! That miserable, mournful violin!!! The trembling vibrato of wretchedness and woe! Convulsions of lamentation, abandon all hope, child, and despair!
I digress.
Weird to think that in only the decade prior, "the very term 'holocaust' was hardly known and that the holocaust was "a little discussed phenomenon." Is this true? I guess what did we have film-wise before that? Night and Fog and The Pawnbroker? Diary of Anne Frank counts I guess but it doesn't take place in the camps. Twilight Zone had an episode in the 60s.
So, looks like this is a case of a film kept under wraps because everybody having anything to do with the film hated it.
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Posted by crumbsroom ![]() 5/21/2022 7:48 pm | #9 |
Rampop II wrote:
I read up on this. Holy crap I'm scared to watch that!
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I've been needing this movie in my life ever since they were giving Lewis a hard time about it on SCTV 40 years ago.
Few films have ever loomed as large for me. The holy grail, I dare say.
Posted by Rampop II ![]() 5/23/2022 3:46 pm | #10 |
Bliss (1985)
Or, "The Case of the Palme d'Or nominee and Australian Best Picture Winner Pulled from Distribution over the Small Matter of a Kid With a Swastika on his Sleeve Getting A Blowjob From His Sister at Their Parents' House For A Bag of Cocaine."
No, not the Bliss from 1997, nor the one from 2019, nor 2021. If anybody knows how to find a copy of Ray Lawrence's 1985 dark comedy masterpiece, especially the one with the deleted "tour-de-force monologue by Barry Otto, which was captured in a single unedited take," I'm sure I'm not the only one here who would very much like to know.
Posted by crumbsroom ![]() 5/23/2022 8:32 pm | #11 |
Rampop II wrote:
Bliss (1985)
Or, "The Case of the Palme d'Or nominee and Australian Best Picture Winner Pulled from Distribution over the Small Matter of a Kid With a Swastika on his Sleeve Getting A Blowjob From His Sister at Their Parents' House For A Bag of Cocaine."
No, not the Bliss from 1997, nor the one from 2019, nor 2021. If anybody knows how to find a copy of Ray Lawrence's 1985 dark comedy masterpiece, especially the one with the deleted "tour-de-force monologue by Barry Otto, which was captured in a single unedited take," I'm sure I'm not the only one here who would very much like to know.
I am modestly certain that this was at a video store I used to go to in Toronto. So if you're willing to get on a plane to come check and see if it actually is there (I give it a 75% chance), I can give you directions once you are in town.
Posted by Jinnistan ![]() 5/23/2022 8:56 pm | #12 |
I think Rampop copied my DVD burn of the film, but the problem is finding the film in print to purchase has become very difficult. I also had a VHS of the film at a video store I worked at in the mid-90s, and that's where I saw it for the first time. I've never seen a disc version available in the wild. My burn copy came from a late night cable showing, and it has the 'bug' in the bottom corner. (Also is 4:3 formatted.)
Just checked and a UK DVD copy is currently available at Amazon for $110.
But I'd rather light a candle than curse the darkness...
Posted by Rock ![]() 5/23/2022 10:41 pm | #13 |
crumbsroom wrote:
Rampop II wrote:
Bliss (1985)
Or, "The Case of the Palme d'Or nominee and Australian Best Picture Winner Pulled from Distribution over the Small Matter of a Kid With a Swastika on his Sleeve Getting A Blowjob From His Sister at Their Parents' House For A Bag of Cocaine."
No, not the Bliss from 1997, nor the one from 2019, nor 2021. If anybody knows how to find a copy of Ray Lawrence's 1985 dark comedy masterpiece, especially the one with the deleted "tour-de-force monologue by Barry Otto, which was captured in a single unedited take," I'm sure I'm not the only one here who would very much like to know.
I am modestly certain that this was at a video store I used to go to in Toronto. So if you're willing to get on a plane to come check and see if it actually is there (I give it a 75% chance), I can give you directions once you are in town.
Lol is this BSV?
I dropped by there recently for the first time in over years. They were nice enough to honour my old stamp cards.
Posted by crumbsroom ![]() 5/23/2022 10:42 pm | #14 |
Rock wrote:
crumbsroom wrote:
Rampop II wrote:
Bliss (1985)
Or, "The Case of the Palme d'Or nominee and Australian Best Picture Winner Pulled from Distribution over the Small Matter of a Kid With a Swastika on his Sleeve Getting A Blowjob From His Sister at Their Parents' House For A Bag of Cocaine."
No, not the Bliss from 1997, nor the one from 2019, nor 2021. If anybody knows how to find a copy of Ray Lawrence's 1985 dark comedy masterpiece, especially the one with the deleted "tour-de-force monologue by Barry Otto, which was captured in a single unedited take," I'm sure I'm not the only one here who would very much like to know.
I am modestly certain that this was at a video store I used to go to in Toronto. So if you're willing to get on a plane to come check and see if it actually is there (I give it a 75% chance), I can give you directions once you are in town.
Lol is this BSV?
I dropped by there recently for the first time in over years. They were nice enough to honour my old stamp cards.
Eyesore. They were notorious for having DVD rip of shitty old VHS tapes though, so any hopes should be very tempered.
Posted by Rampop II ![]() 5/23/2022 11:05 pm | #15 |
crumbsroom wrote:
I am modestly certain that this was at a video store I used to go to in Toronto. So if you're willing to get on a plane to come check and see if it actually is there (I give it a 75% chance), I can give you directions once you are in town.
crumbsroom wrote:
They were notorious for having DVD rip of shitty old VHS tapes
Sounds like my kinda place!
Posted by crumbsroom ![]() 5/23/2022 11:07 pm | #16 |
Rampop II wrote:
crumbsroom wrote:
I am modestly certain that this was at a video store I used to go to in Toronto. So if you're willing to get on a plane to come check and see if it actually is there (I give it a 75% chance), I can give you directions once you are in town.
crumbsroom wrote:
They were notorious for having DVD rip of shitty old VHS tapes
Sounds like my kinda place!
The owner probably has even worse taste than me, and he has a talent for talking endlessly when you just want to grab a stack of 50 or so movies and go, but I've rarely been to a place that so vitally understands what film can be. A life changing, pile-of-shit store.
Posted by Rampop II ![]() 5/24/2022 2:36 am | #17 |
Jinnistan wrote:
Just checked and a UK DVD copy is currently available at Amazon for $110.
Looks like it's in PAL format; I think we'll need a special monitor or something. More on that in a moment...
So ok, the movie gets screened at Cannes where something like 1/5th of the 2000 attendees walk out. Then the Australian authorities rate it "Restricted 18+" and as a result no distribution company will touch it, so the producer distributes it himself. Then the rating gets overturned on appeal, the film gains a following, and wins a bunch of awards and acclaim. It gets a VHS release at some point (distributed by whom?)... and then the trail goes cold for 20 years? What was happening with Bliss throughout the 90s and 2000s?
In 2010 independent Australian distributor Umbrella Entertainment releases an all–region DVD containing both cuts of Bliss, now out–of–print. A search of the Umbrella Entertainment catalog for "Bliss" just brings up a handful of unrelated titles, the Wikipedia citation about the 2010 release is just a snapshot of the DVD's product page from the WayBack Machine — https://web.archive.org/web/20150402160935/http://www.umbrellaent.com.au/p-3192-bliss-directors-cut.aspx — and ohhh would you look at that. Ten bucks. 10 Australian dollars, marked down from $14. That's what one could have paid for it in 2015. If only, if only...
In 2016 Bliss gets digitally restored by the National Film and Sound Archive of Australia (NFSA) "as part of its NFSA Restores initiative." The NFSA is all about preservation, and bless them for that, but it doesn't do us much good in terms of being able to see it.
Getting back to that UK DVD Jinnistan referred to, it bears the label of Boulevard Entertainment. I think this is the mark of a UK company called Boulevard Entertainment Ltd, (not to be confused with another UK company called Boulevard Entertainment Ltd that processes food and beverages, nor any of the other many companies with Boulevard Entertainment in the name). I can't get to the bottom of whether or not this distribution company still exists. Their web address just shows one of those "domain may be for sale" pages. They do have a facebook page, but I don't facebook so I can't take on that part of the investigation. Because fuck facebook.
A website called DVD Lady, apparent bootlegger of hard–to–find flicks, is advertising a region–free copy for $12 USD, which I'm guessing was ripped from the Umbrella release. But notice the image on that product page shows the Bliss cover art with the New World Video logo in the corner. This leads me to assume that New World was the distributor of the VHS, which makes me wonder if the DVD Lady boot is actually sourced from the VHS.
[size=125]All that aside, the question remains: WHY? Why is this award–winning and critically–acclaimed film still largely unavailable?
...and by the way, what the fuck does "exterminating" a film mean, and why would anyone do it? [/size]
Posted by Rock ![]() 5/24/2022 8:23 am | #18 |
I don't know about monitors, but you probably will need a region free player to watch PAL DVDs. Depending on your genre interests, it can easily justify the cost. For example, the state of martial arts movies appears to be a lot better with Region B (likely because the Weinsteins gobbled up the Region A rights before... you know...).
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Posted by Rampop II ![]() 5/27/2022 2:39 pm | #19 |
Rock wrote:
the state of martial arts movies appears to be a lot better with Region B (likely because the Weinsteins gobbled up the Region A rights before... you know...).
Ah–HA! That's the kind of fine investigative work this department needs!
Posted by Rampop II ![]() 6/02/2022 11:27 pm | #20 |
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I'm just gonna get this one out of the way:
Maclunkey.